[Leica] Photo show dissent

[Bob Adler]

I don't think you will ever convince anyone, Chris, by starting a debate with vile name calling. This is a lesson that you seem too moronic to learn. 
Bob

Bob Adler
Robert Adler Photography
www.robertadlerphotography.com

> On Mar 22, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
> 
> Larry, that¹s a bigoted and historically unsupportable view. Photographers
> have combined images to make totally conceptual scenes since the 19th
> century, most famously by Jerry Uelsmann starting in the 1960s and
> continuing to the present day. Ansel Adams famously stated that the
> negative was like a musical score, a starting point that the artist uses
> to produce the final performance (the print).
> 
> Art and photography are most certainly NOT two different media.
> Photography is an art media, one of many, including painting, sculpture,
> ceramics, drawing, and graphic printmaking (eg. Etching, lithography).
> There is a lot of overlap, these are not absolutely separate art forms.
> The painter, sculptor and printmaker incorporate drawing into their work.
> The printmaker can transfer photos to the etching plate. Photographers can
> paint and draw on the photo, or manipulate it on the computer, and
> computer graphics can be purely drawing without using photos.
> 
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>> On 3/22/15, 4:39 PM, "Larry Zeitlin via LUG" <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>> 
>>    I just came back from the Westchester Photo Show where four of my older
>> photographs were hung. They stood out like sore thumbs. Not because they
>> were inferior but because they were different. All of mine were street
>> photos or pseudo street photos, slices of life taken in my usual
>> adventitious manner. Several were in my LUG gallery and were taken on
>> film. I'd be the first to admit that they are not great pictures but they
>> were a sample of my photographic endeavors.
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Cook.jpeg.html
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Coppersmith.jpg.html
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/The+valve+room.jpg.html
>>    Most of the other pictures exhibited were carefully posed, highly
>> processed images which tried to emulate fine art. I've always believed,
>> as have most Luggers, that art and photography are two different media,
>> each with its advantages and disadvantages. An artist can take time to
>> pose the subject appropriately, choose colors, and accentuate what he or
>> she chooses. It is a contemplative and imaginative medium. Photography,
>> on the other hand, is ideal for catching slices of life which may vanish
>> in a fraction of a second.?It is a realistic and immediate medium.
>>    What was most interesting is that several exhibiting photographers
>> maintained that the original image was not the end in itself but merely
>> the starting point for intensive manipulation in Photoshop. Indeed, some
>> of the pictures were so significantly altered that they bore little
>> resemblence to the actual scene. Colors were changed, portions of the
>> image were accentuated or eliminated. The worst case, in my opinion, was
>> a photograph which combined several individual photos in one displayed
>> image. Just like the Russian Mayday podium pictures.
>>    I'm coming to believe that exhibited photos should bear a warning label,
>> like foodstuffs, noting if any artificial ingredients were used in the
>> presentation.
>>    Larry Z
>> 
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