[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: (SPAM: ?) Re: Photo show dissent

[Chris Crawford]

Bob, you called me a moron before I said anything to you. How did I prove
you right?


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On 3/23/15, 12:09 AM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:

>You prove, in your response, both my statements to be true!
>Thank you Chris. :'-D
>
>Bob Adler
>Robert Adler Photography
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>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Chris Crawford
>><chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob, I stated a fact. His view is bigoted and it is historically
>> unsupported. Sorry you’re too ‘moronic’ (talk about vile name calling!)
>>to
>> understand that.
>> 
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>> Chris Crawford
>> Fine Art Photography
>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>> 260-437-8990
>> 
>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>>> On 3/22/15, 9:05 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think you will ever convince anyone, Chris, by starting a
>>>debate
>>> with vile name calling. This is a lesson that you seem too moronic to
>>> learn. 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> Bob Adler
>>> Robert Adler Photography
>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Chris Crawford
>>>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Larry, that¹s a bigoted and historically unsupportable view.
>>>> Photographers
>>>> have combined images to make totally conceptual scenes since the 19th
>>>> century, most famously by Jerry Uelsmann starting in the 1960s and
>>>> continuing to the present day. Ansel Adams famously stated that the
>>>> negative was like a musical score, a starting point that the artist
>>>>uses
>>>> to produce the final performance (the print).
>>>> 
>>>> Art and photography are most certainly NOT two different media.
>>>> Photography is an art media, one of many, including painting,
>>>>sculpture,
>>>> ceramics, drawing, and graphic printmaking (eg. Etching, lithography).
>>>> There is a lot of overlap, these are not absolutely separate art
>>>>forms.
>>>> The painter, sculptor and printmaker incorporate drawing into their
>>>> work.
>>>> The printmaker can transfer photos to the etching plate. Photographers
>>>> can
>>>> paint and draw on the photo, or manipulate it on the computer, and
>>>> computer graphics can be purely drawing without using photos.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Chris Crawford
>>>> Fine Art Photography
>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>> 260-437-8990
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/22/15, 4:39 PM, "Larry Zeitlin via LUG" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   I just came back from the Westchester Photo Show where four of my
>>>>> older
>>>>> photographs were hung. They stood out like sore thumbs. Not because
>>>>> they
>>>>> were inferior but because they were different. All of mine were
>>>>>street
>>>>> photos or pseudo street photos, slices of life taken in my usual
>>>>> adventitious manner. Several were in my LUG gallery and were taken on
>>>>> film. I'd be the first to admit that they are not great pictures but
>>>>> they
>>>>> were a sample of my photographic endeavors.
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Cook.jpeg.html
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Coppersmith.jpg.html
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/The+valve+room.jpg.html
>>>>>   Most of the other pictures exhibited were carefully posed, highly
>>>>> processed images which tried to emulate fine art. I've always
>>>>>believed,
>>>>> as have most Luggers, that art and photography are two different
>>>>>media,
>>>>> each with its advantages and disadvantages. An artist can take time
>>>>>to
>>>>> pose the subject appropriately, choose colors, and accentuate what he
>>>>> or
>>>>> she chooses. It is a contemplative and imaginative medium.
>>>>>Photography,
>>>>> on the other hand, is ideal for catching slices of life which may
>>>>> vanish
>>>>> in a fraction of a second.?It is a realistic and immediate medium.
>>>>>   What was most interesting is that several exhibiting photographers
>>>>> maintained that the original image was not the end in itself but
>>>>>merely
>>>>> the starting point for intensive manipulation in Photoshop. Indeed,
>>>>> some
>>>>> of the pictures were so significantly altered that they bore little
>>>>> resemblence to the actual scene. Colors were changed, portions of the
>>>>> image were accentuated or eliminated. The worst case, in my opinion,
>>>>> was
>>>>> a photograph which combined several individual photos in one
>>>>>displayed
>>>>> image. Just like the Russian Mayday podium pictures.
>>>>>   I'm coming to believe that exhibited photos should bear a warning
>>>>> label,
>>>>> like foodstuffs, noting if any artificial ingredients were used in
>>>>>the
>>>>> presentation.
>>>>>   Larry Z
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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