[Leica] IMPORTANT: LUGbook 2015

Steve Barbour steve.barbour at gmail.com
Sat Dec 19 13:29:18 PST 2015


thanks Ted, Merry Christmas.


steve



> On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hey CREW,  J
> 
> This is "KISS SIMPLE" SUGGESTION 2015! J
> 
> WE ALL STOP COMMENTING AND LET RICHARD DO HIS THIING AS AN "EXPERIMENTAL"
> EFFORT OF OUR crew photos?
> 
> We all might be blown out of the water with its "GREATNESS OF ARTISTRY?" 
> 
> If it works and looks  beautiful in the eyes of the majority? And Richard
> wishes to do the book for 2016? We let him do his thing.  If he wishes not
> to become involved 2016? Well let's leave that for 2016?
> 
> Right now, why not all have another coffee, take another deep breath of
> fresh-air and have a nice day. J
> 
> There you go. "KISS SIMPLE!" Sure better than whining bitching and
> complaining!
> 
> Thank you. Have a nice day.
> 
> CHEERS,
> 
> Dr.ted
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Adler
> Sent: December-19-15 1:02 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMPORTANT: LUGbook 2015
> 
> 
> 
> Richard,
> 
> 
> 
> Please explain what this means, "The image size will be maximized." Are you
> 
> changing the size of images selected? Will that cause distortion or
> 
> cropping.
> 
> 
> 
> I am going against the grain of support expressed so far. I don't care if
> 
> my images are together or not. I think a unilateral decision by the person
> 
> who has volunteered to compile the work of our group to suddenly self
> 
> promote themselves to "editor" is pretentious. Quite frankly, I've never
> 
> seen your editing work nor that of your wife who has, as I believe you
> 
> stated, more artistic talent than you. I am concerned that suddenly we have
> 
> an "editor" with no evidence of editing capability.
> 
> 
> 
> I always thought of this as a group project. Now it has become more of a
> 
> "bound gallery" project with a self appointed gallery editor. I'm glad you
> 
> recognize that this is a last minute change. But stating, "The image size
> 
> will be maximized" is not something I understand. If I sized an image for
> 
> the right side of a page, will it remain on the right side of a page? Now
> 
> you say the pages will only have titles and we will need to see who took it
> 
> by looking in the back of the book. Another global change without
> 
> discussion. Unilateral, last minute, no explanation of why that's better
> 
> nor asking for input, nor evidencing your experience as to why this is
> 
> better.
> 
> 
> 
> I understand those who speak loudest and contribute often to this group are
> 
> expressing support. I do know, from private emails, others are upset with
> 
> this coupe and we will not be seeing their images.
> 
> 
> 
> So be my $0.02.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Hi Tina, thank you for your comment. First, anyone who wants to swap or
> 
>> send an additional photo, please feel free.
> 
>> 
> 
>> The image size will be maximized. For caption, my plan is to put the short
> 
>> caption/title (e.g. "Snow Fall") under and the full attribution on a back
> 
>> page. One or two people have specified that they want full bleed on an
> 
>> image or two, so those will be honored, as with any other placement
> 
>> requests.
> 
>> 
> 
>> There is one panoramic image (not mine :-) ) that I have decided to put as
> 
>> the center, taking two pages. Otherwise, I do not feel we can appreciate
> 
>> the power of that image. Once I start making decision like that, it just
> 
>> seems natural to follow to the more logical conclusion.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>>> I agree that if we had known ahead of time, some of us might have chosen
> 
>>> different photos.  I chose mine to go together.  If I had thought they
> 
>>> would be in different places in the book, I would have chosen
> stand-alone
> 
>>> photos.  I'm not objecting strongly, though.  It is your decision.  How
> 
>>> will the captions work now and will the facing photos be the same size?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Tina
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Richard Man <
> 
>> richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> 
> 
>>>> Dear LUG family and contributors:
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> I have a received a strong objection to making the change.
> 
>> Fundamentally,
> 
>>>> it comes down to two things:
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> First, the nature of the policy change is unexpected and last minute.
> 
>> It
> 
>>> is
> 
>>>> true, if I have made the decision early on and made the announcement
> 
>>>> earlier, then people who may object to this policy can debate or
> 
>> withhold
> 
>>>> contributions. For this I apologize.
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> Second, there are questions of my exerting artistic preference over
> 
>> that
> 
>>> of
> 
>>>> the contributors. I need to digest this, as the mere fact that an
> 
>> editor
> 
>>>> has to sequence the contributors in some ways regardless, even if we
> do
> 
>>> it
> 
>>>> simply by the first name or last name or other arbitrary ordering,
> 
>> it's a
> 
>>>> decision on our parts.
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> The person is correct that this is not "my book", but nominally a "LUG
> 
>>> year
> 
>>>> book" although even there we have strayed a bit in previous years by
> 
>>>> inviting other people into the fold.
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> I am somewhat torn on this and I welcome any discussion. I am not
> 
>> looking
> 
>>>> for sympathy, or people to "beat up" on the person. I know from
> 
>> feedback
> 
>>>> that someone will be unhappy regardless. However, personally I am more
> 
>>>> concerned that it is true that I did not make the policy change early,
> 
>>> and
> 
>>>> this would appear to be a "bait and switch".
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> Thank you.
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Gene Duprey <geneduprey2015 at gmail.com
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> 
> 
>>>>> Make it your production, If you want to mix the photos, then I'm OK
> 
>>> with
> 
>>>>> it.
> 
>>>>> 
> 
>>>>> Gene
> 
>>>>> 
> 
>>>>> 
> 
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <
> 
>> hopsternew at gmail.com
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>>> wrote:
> 
>>>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Your call! Why not put your own stamp on the production?
> 
>>>>>> Shall be interested to see how this works out...my ex-editor brain
> 
>> is
> 
>>>>>> fascinated!
> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>> 
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>> 
> ............................................................................
> ......................................................
> 
>>>>>> 
> 
>>>>>> While working on the book, I am making an executive decision: I
> 
>> will
> 
>>>>>> sequence the images in some order, and not 2 consecutive images
> per
> 
>>>>>> submitter like previous years.
> 
>>>>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Per usual, I will not edit the images in any way, and the caption
> 
>> and
> 
>>>> any
> 
>>>>>> image placement preference (e.g. some people want full bleed) will
> 
>> be
> 
>>>>>> honored.
> 
>>>>>> 
> 
>>>>>> If you have strong feeling that your photos must be kept together,
> 
>>>> please
> 
>>>>>> email me.
> 
>>>>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Thanks!
> 
>>>>>> 
> 
>>>>>> --
> 
>>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
> 
>>>>>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto
> 
>>>>>> // https://instagram.com/richardmanphoto
> 
>>>>>> 
> 
>>>>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Cheers
> 
>>>>>> Geoff
> 
>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> 
>>>>>> 
> 
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>>>> --
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>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
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>>>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto
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>>>> // https://instagram.com/richardmanphoto
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>>> 
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>>> --
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>>> Tina Manley
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>>> http://
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>>> <
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>>> www.tinamanley.com
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>>> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/
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>> --
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>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
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>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto
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>> // https://instagram.com/richardmanphoto
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