[Leica] LUG & Blurb question

Mark Rabiner mark at rabinergroup.com
Sat Nov 29 21:04:16 PST 2014


Thanks Geoff I was actually given an old ipad a few months ago I think the
first version they made but I have to get my wifi working in here.  Its
recharging light is on. I think I'll get a smaller skinny one.
I just dragged a microwave home from Home Depot I traveled light. But I had
a fair sized paperback book in my topcoat pocket. I'm never without a real
book. But I have Nook and iBooks in my iPhone 5 giving me all kinds of spur
in the moment options.
It sounds like you're doing a great job here and I'll probably get involved
with it again one of these years. Especially if it goes all Leica.
To me a Leica users list yearbook filled with photos taken with Leicas makes
obvious sense though in the past I found myself amazingly to be in a small
minority. I don't mind being in a minority. And I don't mind being wrong.
But I don't think I am on this one.


On 11/29/14 11:48 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark maybe take a few deep breaths. Steve's comment about Tina actually was
> simply something he mis-read, nothing more.
> I have no idea who else talks to who off list about being in the book.
> Amongst my friends when I've asked them off list, I have encouraged them to
> contribute.
> 
> Remember whether or not you contribute there is no obligation to buy. As
> for who is in the book, of course you can read every name next to people's
> photos. It's no secret. I won't be posting any list of contributors' names
> to the LUG. I have been including a little running tally on the numbers in
> my weekly reminder. We have 36 so far, 35 of whom are LUG people and one
> person whom I invited who does some great photojournalist work with his
> Leica. I have asked one other but he is yet to reply.
> 
> Send me some photos for this edition if you want. You will be able to view
> it on your iPad for about USD15 this year I think.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> 
> On 30 November 2014 at 14:17, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> I know you were in the first two Tina.
>> Regardless I wonder why you'd need to be drawn out in public and be put on
>> the spot as to your involvement with the project. I'd think that would be
>> nobodies business but yours. They'd find out when the thing was published.
>> 
>> In past years on the lug we were presented with a list. If you were not on
>> it you were put on the spot and asked why you were not on it. I'm glad to
>> see the Gestapo tactics are gone this  year.
>> 
>> Its interesting nobody asks you off list if you are going to be in the
>> project or not. Its always on list.
>> These bullying tactics just warm the cockles of my heart.
>> And I can tell you threes only one why I respond to this kind of pressure.
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/29/14 9:46 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> What?? I think there was a copy problem. I have been in every single LUG
>> book
>>> so far !!!
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> Steve Barbour
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Tmanley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I hope not. :-(  I would hope that the appreciation would trump the
>>>> aggravation. I've never done the LUG book
>>>> 
>>>> Forgive me for asking Tina please, but we see so many of your images,
>> why
>>>> have you chosen not to contribute to the LUG book?
>>>> 
>>>> steve
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> but I have done many non-profit fund-raising projects and that has
>> usually
>>>> been true.  The aggravation can be overwhelming but it ALWAYS turns out
>> to be
>>>> worth it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Jim Shulman <jshulman at judgecrater.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I stand corrected (and should have checked all eight editions)--you
>> were
>>>>> indeed in '06 and '07.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, you've just given a superb reason why I had no further
>> interest
>>>>> in producing the yearbook.  I was sick of your garbage, and similar
>>>>> diatribes from non-contributors (at least within the 2010s).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Prattle on!  You have every right to do so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org]
>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:59 PM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was in the first two issues, Ted. Two pix each all taken with Leica
>>>>> cameras. All taken the same year they were published.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/29/14 6:57 PM, "Ted Grant" <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> AND FROM THE DARKENED HALLS OF THE PAST.................. A MAJOR
>>>>>> BITE!!!!!!! And the quiet was deafening!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>> Dr.ted
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Jim Shulman
>>>>>> Sent: November-29-14 3:26 PM
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The way I think about it is that in order to proffer suggestions you
>>>>>> should be a part of the yearbook.
>>>>>> As in as a participant.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I checked the 2013 yearbook, and checked it twice.
>>>>>> You didn't submit a thing.
>>>>>> I checked the 2012 yearbook, and checked it twice.
>>>>>> You didn't submit a thing.
>>>>>> Same for 2011.  I didn't go back any further, but to the best of my
>>>>>> knowledge the LUG yearbooks have yet to be graced by your images.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Did it ever occur to you, Mark, that you're part of the problem?
>>>>>> Geoff and, for eight years, I received lots and lots of suggestions,
>>>>>> gripes, requests, and relatively few entries.  I noted that the people
>>>>>> with the greatest number of suggestions, or gripes about the
>>>>>> admittedly elementary submission guidelines, were almost never
>>>>> contributors.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So put up or shut up.  There's still about a half-month to submit your
>>>>>> images.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: LUG
>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:12 PM
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They way I think about it is if you're going to do something why not
>>>>>> let more than just a few people see it? I love books I'm about to hit
>>>>>> some bookstores this afternoon made a list checking it twice but for
>>>>>> every person who reads and looks at paper there's thousands who are
>>>>>> getting the same words and pix as pixels.
>>>>>> I love PDF 's. I think the guy you invented them should get the Noble
>>>>>> Peace prize. If I'd gone to the trouble to layout a photo book such as
>>>>>> this it would drive my crazy not being able to press the "make PDF
>>>>> button"
>>>>>> in the end. If you think about it the preview software which lets
>>>>>> people peek into the book on the website has kind of done that.
>>>>>> I think when people know ahead of time that the layout will be
>>>>>> electronically disseminated few if any would have a problem with that.
>>>>>> If they do let them rot in their own hells.
>>>>>> People want to  see their book on their iPad's  and iPhones.
>>>>>> More importantly they want to never put their iPad's and iPhones down.
>>>>>> They want to keep staring at them.
>>>>>> Let them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That said I don't think the reason behind a LUG book such as this is
>>>>>> to make money. How many extra copies did they sell does anyone know?
>>>>>> If there really is a market for a book such as the LUG Yearbook than
>>>>>> in electronic form I'd wager that market would be 100x.  ... To 1000x.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/28/14 11:15 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I did a test convert of another non-related photobook that I edited
>>>>>>> and published an eBook version as a test. I don't have my iPad with
>>>>>>> me to check as yet, but it looks like it should work fine on IOS
>>>>>>> devices, not just iPads.
>>>>>>> When you buy you get a download link in a mail to be opened on the
>>>>>>> device where you want to download it. In other words, one download,
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>> device.
>>>>>>> I shall report in when I get that test on on my (first) iPad which
>>>>>>> went to a family meber who will like to have that particular book.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My intent introducing the eBook this year was to broaden the sales
>>>>>>> while each copy (print or electronic) will generate exactly the same
>>>>>>> markup for Jim's charity. As a glass half full approach I hope that
>>>>>>> people will enjoy having the printed volume on their shelf to enjoy
>>>>>>> and perhaps add an eBook to their order.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, I have no connection with all eight books that Jim did with
>>>>>>> us of course, except to be in them all.
>>>>>>> I would note that it does require some work to convert each book and
>>>>>>> then publish it.
>>>>>>> Of course it is entirely up to Jim on whether this option (not always
>>>>>>> available) is worth doing and if he wants to be pushed out of
>>>>>>> retirement to work again on any of those eight!
>>>>>>> For whatever my opinion is worth, I thinks it's a big ask on Jim
>>>>>>> after eight years of a lot of work for us all.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Don't blame me, Jim, sorry. I hope my decision for THIS year will
>>>>>>> mean more copies sold than we would have otherwise and more money to
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>> charity.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 29 November 2014 at 13:12, Jay Burleson <leica at jayburleson.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Looking at a post today and a question was asked about the proposed
>>>>>>>> e-book version of this years book.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What I am wondering, is if the previous years books can be changed
>>>>>>>> in Blurb to add an e-book option?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It would be a way for folks to add to their collection at a
>>>>>>>> reasonable cost, plus add some more to the donation funds.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Any ideas, Jim?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Photographer
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