[Leica] LUG & Blurb question

Sun Nov 30 07:39:38 PST 2014

> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
> I know you were in the first two Tina.
> Regardless I wonder why you'd need to be drawn out in public and be put on
> the spot as to your involvement with the project. I'd think that would be
> nobodies business but yours. They'd find out when the thing was published.
> 
> In past years on the lug we were presented with a list. If you were not on
> it you were put on the spot and asked why you were not on it. I'm glad to
> see the Gestapo tactics are gone this  year.
> 
> Its interesting nobody asks you off list if you are going to be in the
> project or not. Its always on list.
> These bullying tactics just warm the cockles of my heart.
> And I can tell you threes only one why I respond to this kind of pressure.

"they" is me Mark, the list is here for communication, that is why I use it. I apologized to Tina already, misunderstanding, but when I saw her statement I could not believe it.... So babble on Mark, and when you take a break, send two photos for inclusion in the book. Not a biggie, but I am sure you can do it. I know this list is for people who like to babble, not take pictures.

Steve

> 
> 
> On 11/29/14 9:46 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> What?? I think there was a copy problem. I have been in every single LUG book
>> so far !!!
>> 
>> Tina
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> Steve Barbour
>>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Tmanley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hope not. :-(  I would hope that the appreciation would trump the
>>> aggravation. I've never done the LUG book
>>> 
>>> Forgive me for asking Tina please, but we see so many of your images, why
>>> have you chosen not to contribute to the LUG book?
>>> 
>>> steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> but I have done many non-profit fund-raising projects and that has usually
>>> been true.  The aggravation can be overwhelming but it ALWAYS turns out to be
>>> worth it. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Jim Shulman <jshulman at judgecrater.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I stand corrected (and should have checked all eight editions)--you were
>>>> indeed in '06 and '07.
>>>> 
>>>> However, you've just given a superb reason why I had no further interest
>>>> in producing the yearbook.  I was sick of your garbage, and similar
>>>> diatribes from non-contributors (at least within the 2010s).
>>>> 
>>>> Prattle on!  You have every right to do so.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:59 PM
>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
>>>> 
>>>> I was in the first two issues, Ted. Two pix each all taken with Leica
>>>> cameras. All taken the same year they were published.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/29/14 6:57 PM, "Ted Grant" <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> AND FROM THE DARKENED HALLS OF THE PAST.................. A MAJOR
>>>>> BITE!!!!!!! And the quiet was deafening!
>>>>> 
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> Dr.ted
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Jim Shulman
>>>>> Sent: November-29-14 3:26 PM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
>>>>> 
>>>>> The way I think about it is that in order to proffer suggestions you
>>>>> should be a part of the yearbook.
>>>>> As in as a participant.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I checked the 2013 yearbook, and checked it twice.
>>>>> You didn't submit a thing.
>>>>> I checked the 2012 yearbook, and checked it twice.
>>>>> You didn't submit a thing.
>>>>> Same for 2011.  I didn't go back any further, but to the best of my
>>>>> knowledge the LUG yearbooks have yet to be graced by your images.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did it ever occur to you, Mark, that you're part of the problem?
>>>>> Geoff and, for eight years, I received lots and lots of suggestions,
>>>>> gripes, requests, and relatively few entries.  I noted that the people
>>>>> with the greatest number of suggestions, or gripes about the
>>>>> admittedly elementary submission guidelines, were almost never
>>>> contributors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So put up or shut up.  There's still about a half-month to submit your
>>>>> images.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: LUG
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:12 PM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
>>>>> 
>>>>> They way I think about it is if you're going to do something why not
>>>>> let more than just a few people see it? I love books I'm about to hit
>>>>> some bookstores this afternoon made a list checking it twice but for
>>>>> every person who reads and looks at paper there's thousands who are
>>>>> getting the same words and pix as pixels.
>>>>> I love PDF 's. I think the guy you invented them should get the Noble
>>>>> Peace prize. If I'd gone to the trouble to layout a photo book such as
>>>>> this it would drive my crazy not being able to press the "make PDF
>>>> button"
>>>>> in the end. If you think about it the preview software which lets
>>>>> people peek into the book on the website has kind of done that.
>>>>> I think when people know ahead of time that the layout will be
>>>>> electronically disseminated few if any would have a problem with that.
>>>>> If they do let them rot in their own hells.
>>>>> People want to  see their book on their iPad's  and iPhones.
>>>>> More importantly they want to never put their iPad's and iPhones down.
>>>>> They want to keep staring at them.
>>>>> Let them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That said I don't think the reason behind a LUG book such as this is
>>>>> to make money. How many extra copies did they sell does anyone know?
>>>>> If there really is a market for a book such as the LUG Yearbook than
>>>>> in electronic form I'd wager that market would be 100x.  ... To 1000x.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/28/14 11:15 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I did a test convert of another non-related photobook that I edited
>>>>>> and published an eBook version as a test. I don't have my iPad with
>>>>>> me to check as yet, but it looks like it should work fine on IOS
>>>>>> devices, not just iPads.
>>>>>> When you buy you get a download link in a mail to be opened on the
>>>>>> device where you want to download it. In other words, one download,
>>>>>> one
>>>>> device.
>>>>>> I shall report in when I get that test on on my (first) iPad which
>>>>>> went to a family meber who will like to have that particular book.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My intent introducing the eBook this year was to broaden the sales
>>>>>> while each copy (print or electronic) will generate exactly the same
>>>>>> markup for Jim's charity. As a glass half full approach I hope that
>>>>>> people will enjoy having the printed volume on their shelf to enjoy
>>>>>> and perhaps add an eBook to their order.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, I have no connection with all eight books that Jim did with
>>>>>> us of course, except to be in them all.
>>>>>> I would note that it does require some work to convert each book and
>>>>>> then publish it.
>>>>>> Of course it is entirely up to Jim on whether this option (not always
>>>>>> available) is worth doing and if he wants to be pushed out of
>>>>>> retirement to work again on any of those eight!
>>>>>> For whatever my opinion is worth, I thinks it's a big ask on Jim
>>>>>> after eight years of a lot of work for us all.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't blame me, Jim, sorry. I hope my decision for THIS year will
>>>>>> mean more copies sold than we would have otherwise and more money to
>>>>>> your
>>>>> charity.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 29 November 2014 at 13:12, Jay Burleson <leica at jayburleson.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Looking at a post today and a question was asked about the proposed
>>>>>>> e-book version of this years book.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What I am wondering, is if the previous years books can be changed
>>>>>>> in Blurb to add an e-book option?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It would be a way for folks to add to their collection at a
>>>>>>> reasonable cost, plus add some more to the donation funds.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any ideas, Jim?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>> 
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