[Leica] LUG & Blurb question

Sat Nov 29 20:48:43 PST 2014

Mark maybe take a few deep breaths. Steve's comment about Tina actually was
simply something he mis-read, nothing more.
I have no idea who else talks to who off list about being in the book.
Amongst my friends when I've asked them off list, I have encouraged them to
contribute.

Remember whether or not you contribute there is no obligation to buy. As
for who is in the book, of course you can read every name next to people's
photos. It's no secret. I won't be posting any list of contributors' names
to the LUG. I have been including a little running tally on the numbers in
my weekly reminder. We have 36 so far, 35 of whom are LUG people and one
person whom I invited who does some great photojournalist work with his
Leica. I have asked one other but he is yet to reply.

Send me some photos for this edition if you want. You will be able to view
it on your iPad for about USD15 this year I think.

Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman

On 30 November 2014 at 14:17, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> I know you were in the first two Tina.
> Regardless I wonder why you'd need to be drawn out in public and be put on
> the spot as to your involvement with the project. I'd think that would be
> nobodies business but yours. They'd find out when the thing was published.
>
> In past years on the lug we were presented with a list. If you were not on
> it you were put on the spot and asked why you were not on it. I'm glad to
> see the Gestapo tactics are gone this  year.
>
> Its interesting nobody asks you off list if you are going to be in the
> project or not. Its always on list.
> These bullying tactics just warm the cockles of my heart.
> And I can tell you threes only one why I respond to this kind of pressure.
>
>
> On 11/29/14 9:46 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What?? I think there was a copy problem. I have been in every single LUG
> book
> > so far !!!
> >
> > Tina
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> Steve Barbour
> >>
> >> On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Tmanley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I hope not. :-(  I would hope that the appreciation would trump the
> >> aggravation. I've never done the LUG book
> >>
> >> Forgive me for asking Tina please, but we see so many of your images,
> why
> >> have you chosen not to contribute to the LUG book?
> >>
> >> steve
> >>
> >>
> >> but I have done many non-profit fund-raising projects and that has
> usually
> >> been true.  The aggravation can be overwhelming but it ALWAYS turns out
> to be
> >> worth it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Jim Shulman <jshulman at judgecrater.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I stand corrected (and should have checked all eight editions)--you
> were
> >>> indeed in '06 and '07.
> >>>
> >>> However, you've just given a superb reason why I had no further
> interest
> >>> in producing the yearbook.  I was sick of your garbage, and similar
> >>> diatribes from non-contributors (at least within the 2010s).
> >>>
> >>> Prattle on!  You have every right to do so.
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org]
> On
> >>> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:59 PM
> >>> To: Leica Users Group
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
> >>>
> >>> I was in the first two issues, Ted. Two pix each all taken with Leica
> >>> cameras. All taken the same year they were published.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 11/29/14 6:57 PM, "Ted Grant" <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> AND FROM THE DARKENED HALLS OF THE PAST.................. A MAJOR
> >>>> BITE!!!!!!! And the quiet was deafening!
> >>>>
> >>>> cheers,
> >>>> Dr.ted
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Jim Shulman
> >>>> Sent: November-29-14 3:26 PM
> >>>> To: Leica Users Group
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
> >>>>
> >>>> The way I think about it is that in order to proffer suggestions you
> >>>> should be a part of the yearbook.
> >>>> As in as a participant.
> >>>>
> >>>> I checked the 2013 yearbook, and checked it twice.
> >>>> You didn't submit a thing.
> >>>> I checked the 2012 yearbook, and checked it twice.
> >>>> You didn't submit a thing.
> >>>> Same for 2011.  I didn't go back any further, but to the best of my
> >>>> knowledge the LUG yearbooks have yet to be graced by your images.
> >>>>
> >>>> Did it ever occur to you, Mark, that you're part of the problem?
> >>>> Geoff and, for eight years, I received lots and lots of suggestions,
> >>>> gripes, requests, and relatively few entries.  I noted that the people
> >>>> with the greatest number of suggestions, or gripes about the
> >>>> admittedly elementary submission guidelines, were almost never
> >>> contributors.
> >>>>
> >>>> So put up or shut up.  There's still about a half-month to submit your
> >>>> images.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: LUG
> >>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:12 PM
> >>>> To: Leica Users Group
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
> >>>>
> >>>> They way I think about it is if you're going to do something why not
> >>>> let more than just a few people see it? I love books I'm about to hit
> >>>> some bookstores this afternoon made a list checking it twice but for
> >>>> every person who reads and looks at paper there's thousands who are
> >>>> getting the same words and pix as pixels.
> >>>> I love PDF 's. I think the guy you invented them should get the Noble
> >>>> Peace prize. If I'd gone to the trouble to layout a photo book such as
> >>>> this it would drive my crazy not being able to press the "make PDF
> >>> button"
> >>>> in the end. If you think about it the preview software which lets
> >>>> people peek into the book on the website has kind of done that.
> >>>> I think when people know ahead of time that the layout will be
> >>>> electronically disseminated few if any would have a problem with that.
> >>>> If they do let them rot in their own hells.
> >>>> People want to  see their book on their iPad's  and iPhones.
> >>>> More importantly they want to never put their iPad's and iPhones down.
> >>>> They want to keep staring at them.
> >>>> Let them.
> >>>>
> >>>> That said I don't think the reason behind a LUG book such as this is
> >>>> to make money. How many extra copies did they sell does anyone know?
> >>>> If there really is a market for a book such as the LUG Yearbook than
> >>>> in electronic form I'd wager that market would be 100x.  ... To 1000x.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 11/28/14 11:15 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I did a test convert of another non-related photobook that I edited
> >>>>> and published an eBook version as a test. I don't have my iPad with
> >>>>> me to check as yet, but it looks like it should work fine on IOS
> >>>>> devices, not just iPads.
> >>>>> When you buy you get a download link in a mail to be opened on the
> >>>>> device where you want to download it. In other words, one download,
> >>>>> one
> >>>> device.
> >>>>> I shall report in when I get that test on on my (first) iPad which
> >>>>> went to a family meber who will like to have that particular book.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My intent introducing the eBook this year was to broaden the sales
> >>>>> while each copy (print or electronic) will generate exactly the same
> >>>>> markup for Jim's charity. As a glass half full approach I hope that
> >>>>> people will enjoy having the printed volume on their shelf to enjoy
> >>>>> and perhaps add an eBook to their order.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, I have no connection with all eight books that Jim did with
> >>>>> us of course, except to be in them all.
> >>>>> I would note that it does require some work to convert each book and
> >>>>> then publish it.
> >>>>> Of course it is entirely up to Jim on whether this option (not always
> >>>>> available) is worth doing and if he wants to be pushed out of
> >>>>> retirement to work again on any of those eight!
> >>>>> For whatever my opinion is worth, I thinks it's a big ask on Jim
> >>>>> after eight years of a lot of work for us all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Don't blame me, Jim, sorry. I hope my decision for THIS year will
> >>>>> mean more copies sold than we would have otherwise and more money to
> >>>>> your
> >>>> charity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> Geoff
> >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 29 November 2014 at 13:12, Jay Burleson <leica at jayburleson.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Looking at a post today and a question was asked about the proposed
> >>>>>> e-book version of this years book.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What I am wondering, is if the previous years books can be changed
> >>>>>> in Blurb to add an e-book option?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It would be a way for folks to add to their collection at a
> >>>>>> reasonable cost, plus add some more to the donation funds.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any ideas, Jim?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jay
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
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