Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Indeed. Nice having a very quiet shutter and no mirror flap (D4?) was very helpful... ;-) Bob Adler Robert Adler Photography www.robertadlerphotography.com > On May 24, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> > wrote: > > It is a wonderful and evocative photograph, but it is a relatively static > subject in very low light, conditions made to order for the Nocti. Horses > for courses, as always! > Cheers > Jayanand > >> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Susan Ryan <skalte at icloud.com> wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> Now that is a beautiful image. >> >> Sue >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 24, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I can't logically argue with you Jayanand. But I have a Fuji and >> switching >>> between the Fuji and the M is really difficult for me. With the M I point >>> and shoot, basically. After using Ms for over 20 years, I don't think >> about >>> what I'm doing: I just look and point. >>> With the Fuji, it's just difficult! And since I have all this expensive >>> stuff, I need to use it. I love using it!! Though I miss some shots and >>> some may not be perfectly focused, when I hit it I love it: >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rgacpa_HI/Bedtime+Story-2015-04-25.jpg.html >>> >>> So I can't answer your question other then I just adore shooting my >> Leica! >>> So it goes... :-) >>> >>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at >>> gmail.com >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Bob, >>>> Why shoot moving grandkids with this stuff, it seems to be overkill. >> Just >>>> get a Fuji x100 or a Panasonic LX100 or something equivalent for that >>>> purpose! >>>> Cheers >>>> Jayanand >>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ken, >>>>> >>>>> The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the >>>> mechanical >>>>> shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter >>>>> release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires >>>>> (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it >> doubles >>>>> the shutter actuations >>>>> >>>>> Here's my working theories: >>>>> 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the >>>>> primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being >> the >>>>> noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter >>>> kick). >>>>> The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its >>>>> accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on >>>>> >>>>> HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight >>>>> movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1 >>>> and >>>>> f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and >> forth >>>>> while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving >>>>> grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of >>>> focusing >>>>> with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really >>>> helps >>>>> because of its tiny lag. >>>>> >>>>> 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with >> my >>>>> larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and >> sometimes >>>>> live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where >> I >>>>> can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger >>>> system, >>>>> I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen >>>> jpeg. >>>>> >>>>> Does that make sense? >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob, >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is a Leica-rookie question. I have seen numerous posts about >>>> users >>>>>> sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back >> and >>>>>> front focus issues. Is this what live view is intended to avoid? I >>>> know >>>>>> even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with >>>>>> in-camera software. If there is not an issue with matching bodies and >>>>>> lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica >>>> long >>>>>> ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a >>>>> focus >>>>>> error though I succeeded at times). Thx for some enlightenment. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ken >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240. >>>> Completely >>>>>>> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape >>>> images >>>>>>> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check >>>>> focus >>>>>>> for landscape work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2 >>>>> sec >>>>>>> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after >>>>> focusing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R lenses which it may >>>>>>> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read. >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Bob-The -Grump >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob Adler >>>>>>> Robert Adler Photography >>>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser < >>>>>>>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;" >>>>>>>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a note off the iPad, George >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr < >>>> wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The significant upgrade is live view. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Doug Herr >>>>>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento >>>>>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com >>>>>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users >>>>>>>>>> Group < >>>>>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the >> $$... >>>>>>>>>> Better >>>>>>>>>> value with the MM-I >>>>>>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/ >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Bob Adler >>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bob Adler >>> www.robertadlerphotography.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information