Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Bob, Why shoot moving grandkids with this stuff, it seems to be overkill. Just get a Fuji x100 or a Panasonic LX100 or something equivalent for that purpose! Cheers Jayanand On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Ken, > > The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the mechanical > shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter > release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires > (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it doubles > the shutter actuations > > Here's my working theories: > 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the > primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being the > noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter kick). > The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its > accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on > > HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight > movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1 and > f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and forth > while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving > grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of focusing > with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really helps > because of its tiny lag. > > 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with my > larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and sometimes > live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where I > can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger system, > I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen jpeg. > > Does that make sense? > Bob > > > On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote: > > > Bob, > > > > Here is a Leica-rookie question. I have seen numerous posts about users > > sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back and > > front focus issues. Is this what live view is intended to avoid? I know > > even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with > > in-camera software. If there is not an issue with matching bodies and > > lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica long > > ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a > focus > > error though I succeeded at times). Thx for some enlightenment. > > > > Ken > > > > On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote: > > > >> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240. Completely > >> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape images > >> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check > focus > >> for landscape work. > >> > >> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2 > sec > >> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after > focusing. > >> > >> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R lenses which it may > >> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read. > >> Best, > >> Bob-The -Grump > >> > >> Bob Adler > >> Robert Adler Photography > >> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >> > >> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser < > >>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;" > >>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I. > >>> > >>> a note off the iPad, George > >>> > >>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at > >>> earthlink.net> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> The significant upgrade is live view. > >>>> > >>>> Doug Herr > >>>> Birdman of Sacramento > >>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com > >>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> > >>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> > >>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM > >>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users Group < > >>>>> lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results > >>>>> > >>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the $$... > >>>>> Better > >>>>> value with the MM-I > >>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/ > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > -- > Bob Adler > www.robertadlerphotography.com > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >