Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Than you Sue! I was thrilled with it too (and still am) Bob Adler Robert Adler Photography www.robertadlerphotography.com > On May 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, Susan Ryan <skalte at icloud.com> wrote: > > Bob, > > Now that is a beautiful image. > > Sue > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 24, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I can't logically argue with you Jayanand. But I have a Fuji and switching >> between the Fuji and the M is really difficult for me. With the M I point >> and shoot, basically. After using Ms for over 20 years, I don't think >> about >> what I'm doing: I just look and point. >> With the Fuji, it's just difficult! And since I have all this expensive >> stuff, I need to use it. I love using it!! Though I miss some shots and >> some may not be perfectly focused, when I hit it I love it: >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rgacpa_HI/Bedtime+Story-2015-04-25.jpg.html >> >> So I can't answer your question other then I just adore shooting my Leica! >> So it goes... :-) >> >> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at >> gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Bob, >>> Why shoot moving grandkids with this stuff, it seems to be overkill. Just >>> get a Fuji x100 or a Panasonic LX100 or something equivalent for that >>> purpose! >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Ken, >>>> >>>> The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the >>> mechanical >>>> shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter >>>> release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires >>>> (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it >>>> doubles >>>> the shutter actuations >>>> >>>> Here's my working theories: >>>> 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the >>>> primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being >>>> the >>>> noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter >>> kick). >>>> The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its >>>> accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on >>>> >>>> HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight >>>> movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1 >>> and >>>> f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and forth >>>> while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving >>>> grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of >>> focusing >>>> with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really >>> helps >>>> because of its tiny lag. >>>> >>>> 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with my >>>> larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and >>>> sometimes >>>> live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where I >>>> can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger >>> system, >>>> I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen >>> jpeg. >>>> >>>> Does that make sense? >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Bob, >>>>> >>>>> Here is a Leica-rookie question. I have seen numerous posts about >>> users >>>>> sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back and >>>>> front focus issues. Is this what live view is intended to avoid? I >>> know >>>>> even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with >>>>> in-camera software. If there is not an issue with matching bodies and >>>>> lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica >>> long >>>>> ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a >>>> focus >>>>> error though I succeeded at times). Thx for some enlightenment. >>>>> >>>>> Ken >>>>> >>>>>> On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240. >>> Completely >>>>>> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape >>> images >>>>>> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check >>>> focus >>>>>> for landscape work. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2 >>>> sec >>>>>> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after >>>> focusing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R lenses which it may >>>>>> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Bob-The -Grump >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob Adler >>>>>> Robert Adler Photography >>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser < >>>>>>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;" >>>>>>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a note off the iPad, George >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr < >>> wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The significant upgrade is live view. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doug Herr >>>>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento >>>>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com >>>>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM >>>>>>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users Group >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the $$... >>>>>>>>> Better >>>>>>>>> value with the MM-I >>>>>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/ >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bob Adler >>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> -- >> Bob Adler >> www.robertadlerphotography.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information