Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/10/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Frank, I am using the M240 with the EVF; however, I am not focusing on the screen on the back of the camera. I find it easier to use the Olympus EVF that fits in the hot shoe. It is clear and bright, but there is a lag so I ONLY use it when I'm using the R macro lenses. I can't imagine using it all the time with M lenses. The lag before and after taking the photo would drive me nuts. It's fine for something like macro when nothing is moving but for people photos - impossible. I cannot use the screen on the back for focsing because holding the camera out at arms length is too awkward for me. Too old and stubborn to change.... Tina On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net>wrote: > First of all, that is what I said... the inevitable choice is AF or find a > new hobby/profession. There IS no other choice. This is true with todays' > product offerings. > > But, Tina, wait..... the EVF cameras now starting to appear with Pro > quality > lenses. In a couple of years, the mirrors, prisms, etc of an SLR will go > away and you will left with what is basically a Leica-like shutter and no > other noise nor bulk. Why will it happen? Because the camera makers will > see that all the mechanics of their cameras can be eliminated, saving cost > in both componentry and especially complex and accurate assembly. These > EVF > Cameras will become ubiquitous in a few years, just like Cell Phone > cameras. > Look at the Sony ( a ELECTRONIC company, not a mechanical company) A7r for > guidance at where these cameras are heading. Note that Nikon is announcing > a new camera in a few days which also has a EVF built in..... but also, > maybe, a traditional optical SLR finder. A hybrid design. It IS > happening. > > As much as sometimes I am a bit "out there" with what I want, Leica will > too > see the inevitable.... an EVF camera.. They have already taken the first > step..... > > As I remember it, you purchased a M(240) recently, and were thinking about > the external EVF for it..... I would be very interested in your comments > on > its usability and limitations... especially as it pertains to VF quality > and > ease of focus through the VF...... > > Note: My 8008 had rudimentary AF. Jayanand is correct in stating that no > current AF camera works as badly as my old 8008. Technology moves on..... > So will your eyes. Yes, you must point it at the right thing to get the > image focus plane where you want it, but that is true with your Leicas as > well..... > > You WILL get to the point that AF cameras will be your only choice. But > the > electronic VF, with constant brightness, a good fine resolution screen, the > ability to focus like an SLR ground Glass ( anywhere in the image, anytime) > will put that inevitability off. > > Frank Filippone > Red735i at verizon.net > > > > If I have to give up my Leica rangefinders, I'll probably give up > > photography. I've tried Canon DSLRs - good ones - the IDMII and 5D > > and top of the line Canon lenses. No thanks. I had the same > > experience you did with the Nikon. The AF hunts and hunts in the low > > light and backlight that I like to shoot. It chooses the wrong thing to > focus on most of the time. > > The cameras are heavy and noisy and attention-attracting. The lenses > > show chromatic aberrations and distortion. For me, it's Leica or > > nothing, I'm afraid. > > > > Tina > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Frank Filippone > <red735i at verizon.net>wrote: > > > >> I have to agree with Jayanand... There is a point when you have no > choice. > >> It is AF or get another job/hobby. > >> > >> The pitiful part is that it is inevitible.... > >> > >> I thought at age 35 that I could no longer focus my Canon F1 camera > >> with accuracy. My eyes had changed. Dumped all the Canon stuff and > >> bought a Nikon 8008. AF splendor, I thought. Then I tried it out > >> and in bright daylight, with little reason for focus errors, I found > >> the camera would not perform as well as I had without AF. Over time, > >> got rid of all the AF stuff ( my sons swiped most of it) and went > >> Leica. > >> > >> I am 30 years older, and having the same doubts... Part of the > >> reason I am considering Nikon AF again. > >> > >> When you look at the results out there, sharp images, there seems to > >> be no reason to not use AF..... Yes, it requires a different > >> technique than a RF, but really, not too different from rudimentary > >> AF systems( 1 patch of focus). > >> > >> Inevitable means it is going to happen.. the issue is when and how > >> much you fight it..... > >> > >> I was always told that it is best to go out at the top of your game..... > >> AF > >> allows you to extend that game time. > >> > >> Even if it is at Leica S2 prices. > >> > >> Frank Filippone > >> Red735i at verizon.net > >> > >> Well, Jeff said the same thing as I did...and finally it is the only > >> permanent, practical solution. I have gone through this whole dance > >> 10 years ago. > >> Cheers > >> Jayanand > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Tina Manley > > http:// <http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/>www.tinamanley.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > -- Tina Manley http:// <http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/>www.tinamanley.com