Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/09/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]My Bessa T is stamped "VOIGTLANDER GERMANY Since 1756" as well as the Cosina Co, Ltd. Jeffery On Sep 11, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > On the box though... > Its always the box.. > > > On 9/11/13 9:06 PM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: > >> My Bessa R2a is stamped "COSINA CO., LTD" . Voigtlander on the top, no >> mention of Germany anywhere. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> >> On 9/11/2013 7:58 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: >>> Even if they did buy the Voigtlander name, as I recall the camera bodies >>> are >>> stamped "Voigtlander Germany". That seems deliberately misleading. >>> >>> Jeffery >>> >>> >>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> One of my little problems with Cosina which itched in the craw in the >>>> background was they never wanted to put their name on their own >>>> products >>>> like they used to in the 60's. Was that the dad? A Cosina SLR was a >>>> quite >>>> nice option to Minolta or Mamiya or Miranda or Yashica. Nobody >>>> complained. >>>> Nobody said "not don't use your own name for gods sake use German ones >>>> instead you'll make more money" >>>> >>>> As a person who is very familiar with what a Voigtl?nder or Zeiss >>>> product >>>> looks like and feels like and what they do it went down funny as the >>>> lack of >>>> integrity behind the whole thing is really just odd. I mean why use >>>> your >>>> own name when you can buy someone's better? I can think of a few. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/11/13 8:04 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think the first Cosina things out were a Bessa L (with horrific >>>>> shutter >>>>> vibration) and some non-coupled ultrawides like the 12, 15, and 25. >>>>> They >>>>> did >>>>> seem to be saying that they didn't wish to compete with Leica, but >>>>> did. And >>>>> in >>>>> the long run they may have rejuvenated enough interest in rangefinders >>>>> to >>>>> ultimately benefit Leica. Like marijuana leading to "the hard stuff", >>>>> they >>>>> definitely gave a lot of people the rangefinder bug. I would have never >>>>> ventured into the LUG had I not heard about it in one of Stephen >>>>> Gandy's >>>>> forums (RF or CVUG). >>>>> >>>>> Jeffery >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My memory is it was a 75mm lens they started with which they promised >>>>>> would >>>>>> be the last Leica lens they'd make they had no intention of competing >>>>>> with >>>>>> Leica. Then they came out with a body. Then a wide. Though I'm >>>>>> really a >>>>>> capitalist and am all for competition and feel positive about most of >>>>>> the >>>>>> output of the Cosina company and its alternate lower price point and >>>>>> have >>>>>> and use some of their stuff, glass and bodies In both my Leica M, LTM >>>>>> and >>>>>> also my Nikon DSLR systems. Also some of the Cosina stuff shows some >>>>>> imagination that Leica didn't have. Compact slower optics as Leica was >>>>>> coming out with metal munching high speed monsters with a price tag >>>>>> which >>>>>> reads like a house down payment. >>>>>> Though in many cases glass wise I'd rather go with an older Leica >>>>>> from a >>>>>> previous decade as resolution and contrast is not such a big thing >>>>>> for me >>>>>> all the time with digital. >>>>>> >>>>>> I like the idea more of glass being the best it can be in 1960 more >>>>>> than >>>>>> glass made in 2013 dumbed down to fit the money pocketbooks of the >>>>>> consuming >>>>>> masses. >>>>>> And I like Nickel and brass more than I like aluminum and plastic. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/11/13 5:52 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My recollection is that Cosina ultrawides piqued interest in people >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> couldn't justify paying for a Leica ultrawide. I'm not sure I can >>>>>>> justify >>>>>>> paying for a Cosina ultrawide; I just don't use them any more. I do >>>>>>> remember >>>>>>> when digital was sort of a verboten subject on the LUG. These days, >>>>>>> digital >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> the norm on the LUG. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm glad that this group is still hanging in there, even if they >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> always >>>>>>> use Leica. I quit the Pentax forum because (1) it often didn't >>>>>>> involve >>>>>>> Pentax, >>>>>>> and (2) it often didn't even involve photography. That's a bad >>>>>>> combination. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeffery >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> Photographer >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photographer >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information