Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/01/31
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Its clear that just because a certain shooting style is popular among a consensus of working PJs / street shooters at a certain time in this case now would not mean there's a law says you have to just exactly as they do. A person could decide they're going to etch out a style with a long lens and ignore it all have a distinctive and different look that would work well for them. HCB used a 50 and it was not different from what everyone else was doing at the time. And I bet a lot of them already were using at least 35mm lens standing right next to him. But Few were so consistent with a very specific focal length. Darned hard to work with if you ask me I can wonder if he was shooting more currently if he'd be influenced by all the other photogs shooting wide and ultrawide and their results. I would give it another shot if you've not done it in awhile. I get great shots with my 28 1.4 and I certainly feel enabled with it on my camera and with a sore wrist too. When I want wider I go to a 14mm 2.8 but feel free to crop like a son of a gun on half the shots I do with it. On 1/31/13 4:41 AM, "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> wrote: > Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree here, it is simply a > matter of > taste (or it is in my case). Pictures of people made with lenses wider than > 35m look horrible to me, and I am not that keen on 35mm either, 50 being my > preference. > I -still- think the only reason press photogs use WA lenses is to get > everything in after they have pushed in front of everyone else, and the > results always look poor, but are OK for news value.? > cheers, > FD > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013, 8:14 >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shanghai market part 2 >> >> When they say in effect if your work is weak get closer they're not saying >> crop more. They're saying? get closer. >> I think the reason why both press and street photographers have gone wide >> and close in their work is the rapport they have with their subjects while >> doing it. To be off shooting them from across the street is in a way >> creepy >> and ineffective. For decades its been a close in kind of deal. >> >> Don't recall you mentioning, Frank? working with lens like? an older >> version >> of the just announced Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-35mm F3.5-4.5G ED? which is a >> full frame version of the 12-24 f4 DX's from a few years ago which I have >> a >> lot of experience with. And a more advanced updated version of the >> venerable Leica 21mm?35mm f/3.5?f/4.0 Vario-Elmar-R zoom . >> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/21mm?35mm_f/3.5?f/4.0_ >> Vario-Elmar-R >> >> The reason a press photog goes with a wide for a hundred years now is so >> the >> other cameras are not in front of him but working in the street more >> recently its about the? other people are in the way not? so much other >> photographers.? Street shooters like to be in the center of the action so >> they can pic who is in the center of their fame. The dynamics are way more >> lively. Its not the crowd across the street its the guy real big in the >> frame in the foreground and the other guys are real small and sure off to >> the side they have watermelons for heads but we're all good with that by >> now. >> >> I thought it was by the way a simple issue at day one period of the >> Graflex >> SLR giving way to the Speed Graphics to avoid getting the backs of other >> photographers in the very early Part of the last century. >> But it was also the Speed Graphics giving way to the Crown graphics which >> were thinner with no focal plane shutter enabling the use of wider glass. >> And that was in 1947. >> >> >> On 1/31/13 2:34 AM, "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> wrote: >> >>> Why do you think that a longer lens is weaker? >>> IMO the perspective distortion inevitable in WA lenses is poor for people >>> shots, and even though the hideous technical difficulty of producing a >>> reasonably sharp WA lens has been largely solved, they are still very >>> expensive for what you get. >>> I can understand a press photographer using one when there are 5 billion >>> other >>> photographers milling around the same subject, get in front of the others >>> and >>> still get everything in, but it is just that - get the news shot, not >>> get a >>> -good- shot. IMHO of course. >>> >>> If you get close in with a WA lens you are in peoples faces, which is >>> rude >>> (maybe its just my upbringing), and you get ugly shots. >>> >>> IMO the -only- reason anybody would use WA for people is the press guy >>> needing >>> to get the shot in crowded conditions. >>> FD >>> >>> On 31 Jan, 2013, at 05:47, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Seriously it looks like you had a 50mm viewfinder in your hot shoe and a >>>> 24mm lens in your camera and now your fixing it. The cropped versions >>>> are >>>> successful images. They came out even better than I thought. >>>> You need to stand closer to what your shooting. >>>> A second option being shoot with a longer lens but I do feel that's way >>>> weaker. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/30/13 5:08 PM, "David English" <daveenglish at icloud.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> For you who have viewed this collection before and made constructive >>>>> comments >>>>> I went ahead and made the suggested adjustments on many of the photos. >>>>> I >>>>> posted the before and after right next to each other so you can swing >>>>> back >>>>> and >>>>> forth. >>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.davidenglishphotos.com/Travel/Shanghai-Market/27782250_3tTZjC >>>>>>> #! >>>>>>> i= >>>>>>> 2342544201&k=nVw3BZv >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/