Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/01/31
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On 1/31/13 5:19 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: > I think there are two different things: press / photojournalism, vs. street > / documentary. The former is all about the story. You want to be right in > the middle. This is why a lot of press are using 28, 24, and even 21. > People head distortion is acceptable because you are looking at the drama. > > While Street / documentary share a lot of traits, it's more about > expressions, compositions, juxtaposition, light and shadow etc. so head > distortion would be more unacceptable. > > Generally speaking of course. > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:41 AM, FRANK DERNIE > <frank.dernie at btinternet.com>wrote: > >> Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree here, it is simply a >> matter of taste (or it is in my case). Pictures of people made with lenses >> wider than 35m look horrible to me, and I am not that keen on 35mm either, >> 50 being my preference. >> I -still- think the only reason press photogs use WA lenses is to get >> everything in after they have pushed in front of everyone else, and the >> results always look poor, but are OK for news value. >> cheers, >> FD >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013, 8:14 >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shanghai market part 2 >>> >>> When they say in effect if your work is weak get closer they're not >>> saying >>> crop more. They're saying get closer. >>> I think the reason why both press and street photographers have gone wide >>> and close in their work is the rapport they have with their subjects >>> while >>> doing it. To be off shooting them from across the street is in a way >> creepy >>> and ineffective. For decades its been a close in kind of deal. >>> >>> Don't recall you mentioning, Frank working with lens like an older >> version >>> of the just announced Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-35mm F3.5-4.5G ED which is a >>> full frame version of the 12-24 f4 DX's from a few years ago which I have >> a >>> lot of experience with. And a more advanced updated version of the >>> venerable Leica 21mm?35mm f/3.5?f/4.0 Vario-Elmar-R zoom . >>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/21mm >> ?35mm_f/3.5?f/4.0_ >>> Vario-Elmar-R >>> >>> The reason a press photog goes with a wide for a hundred years now is so >> the >>> other cameras are not in front of him but working in the street more >>> recently its about the other people are in the way not so much other >>> photographers. Street shooters like to be in the center of the action so >>> they can pic who is in the center of their fame. The dynamics are way >>> more >>> lively. Its not the crowd across the street its the guy real big in the >>> frame in the foreground and the other guys are real small and sure off to >>> the side they have watermelons for heads but we're all good with that by >>> now. >>> >>> I thought it was by the way a simple issue at day one period of the >> Graflex >>> SLR giving way to the Speed Graphics to avoid getting the backs of other >>> photographers in the very early Part of the last century. >>> But it was also the Speed Graphics giving way to the Crown graphics which >>> were thinner with no focal plane shutter enabling the use of wider glass. >>> And that was in 1947. >>> >>> >>> On 1/31/13 2:34 AM, "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Why do you think that a longer lens is weaker? >>>> IMO the perspective distortion inevitable in WA lenses is poor for >> people >>>> shots, and even though the hideous technical difficulty of producing a >>>> reasonably sharp WA lens has been largely solved, they are still very >>>> expensive for what you get. >>>> I can understand a press photographer using one when there are 5 >> billion other >>>> photographers milling around the same subject, get in front of the >> others and >>>> still get everything in, but it is just that - get the news shot, not >> get a >>>> -good- shot. IMHO of course. >>>> >>>> If you get close in with a WA lens you are in peoples faces, which is >> rude >>>> (maybe its just my upbringing), and you get ugly shots. >>>> >>>> IMO the -only- reason anybody would use WA for people is the press guy >> needing >>>> to get the shot in crowded conditions. >>>> FD >>>> >>>> On 31 Jan, 2013, at 05:47, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Seriously it looks like you had a 50mm viewfinder in your hot shoe and >> a >>>>> 24mm lens in your camera and now your fixing it. The cropped versions >> are >>>>> successful images. They came out even better than I thought. >>>>> You need to stand closer to what your shooting. >>>>> A second option being shoot with a longer lens but I do feel that's way >>>>> weaker. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/30/13 5:08 PM, "David English" <daveenglish at icloud.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> For you who have viewed this collection before and made constructive >>>>>> comments >>>>>> I went ahead and made the suggested adjustments on many of the >> photos. I >>>>>> posted the before and after right next to each other so you can swing >> back >>>>>> and >>>>>> forth. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> http://www.davidenglishphotos.com/Travel/Shanghai-Market/27782250_3tTZjC#! >>>>>>>> i= >>>>>>>> 2342544201&k=nVw3BZv >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>> Photography >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/