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Subject: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E the cheap nikon 28-80
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 16:13:09 -0500

Also the fact that you are talking about the 800e not plain vanilla 800.

That irony that I've spent $3495.00 on a lens but can fine hope and
happiness with a lens on my camera I'd not be able to sell for $34.95 does
not escape me.

Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/


> From: John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:58:00 +0000
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E the cheap nikon 28-80
> 
> That may not sound much difference, but believe me there are few lenses 
> that
> are up to 36MP.... have you shot with one yet?
> 
> john
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> We do get lazy when all our results are 1200 pixels on the long side.
>> But I am able to view these images as they are taken which is 4256 pixels
>> with
>> my D700.
>> 
>> I've shot around 900 captures in two for me exotic locations in the past 
>> two
>> weeks with my laptop down I've just seen them for the first time in the 
>> past
>> few days.
>> I'll post one on the Lug gallery if that's possible full size 4256 pixels 
>> and
>> you
>> can tell me what you think.
>> I'm sure at 7360 pixels across on the long side they'd reveal more. Not 
>> sure
>> it
>> would be a deal maker or breaker or not.
>> 7360 is what the d800 gives you.
>> 
>> 4256 Vs 7360 pixels
>> 
>> 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>> 
>> 
>>> From: John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:44:13 +0000
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E the cheap nikon
>>> 28-80
>>> 
>>> You may get a shock with some of your lenses if you were to shoot on a
>>> D800E......
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> 
>>>> For two solid weeks I've been shooting with a normal zoom nikon kit
>>>> lens of the pervious film fueled decade.
>>>> The Nikon 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6G
>>>> 
>>>> On my D700
>>>> 
>>>> Straight from the dark side:
>>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28-80mm-g.htm
>>>> 
>>>> " The Nikon 28-80mm G is a dinky 7-ounce (190g) plastic zoom with
>>>> incredibly good performance."
>>>> " Incredible means unbelievable. The performance of this lens is so
>>>> good that no one will believe it possibly can come from a lens this 
>>>> cheap."
>>>> 
>>>> Cheap means 50 bucks.
>>>> 
>>>> " The Nikkor 28-80mm G is one of Nikon's most popular lenses of all 
>>>> time.
>>>> Nikon made over a million and a half of these, so you will find them
>>>> everywhere. Mine came attached to an N55."
>>>> 
>>>> I bought an N55 so I could get this lens. I used the camera once.
>>>> 
>>>> " The front element is a compound aspherical. This means Nikon glues
>>>> a thin plastic corrector over another spherical glass element, giving
>>>> the performance of an aspherical lens at a low price"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> Photography
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:55:32 -0800
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's what I have gathered.  But as you say, expensive, and indeed
>> heavy.
>>>>> One of my prime considerations for lens choice is weight, as I hike
>>>>> all over with them.  They could be with me for 10 hours in a day.  I
>>>>> thought the
>>>>> 35/70 was heavy at one time, but nothing compared to my current
>>>>> Nikon
>>>>> 24-120/4 I bought at the last minute to substitute for the 35/70
>>>>> when I dropped it and broke it a few weeks before a two month trip,
>>>>> so I needed something.  the 24/120 was lighter and smaller than the
>>>>> 24-70/2.8
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aram
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: <grduprey at mchsi.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:54 PM
>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Aram,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will try to do it this weekend.  However, I can tell you the
>>>>>> 24/70
>>>>>> f2.8 is a real gem of a lens.  Fast focussing, quiet and sharp.
>>>>>> Also expensive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:01:21 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada
>>>>>> Central
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would love to see the 35/70 R vs the 24/70 N.  I am considering the
>>>>>> D600, but will have to replace my Nikon DX 10-24 with something.
>>>>>> In looking at what Nikon has to offer for FF in that range, I
>>>>>> cringe at every review when they talk about the massive amount of
>>>>>> distortion, or the edge performance.
>>>>>> That seems to be universal for zooms with Nikon and Canon and xxxx.
>>>>>> But I have never noticed much with the 35/70 R.  But have never
>>>>>> done any objective tests.  Hope you have the time to make this
>> comparison.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Aram
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: grduprey at mchsi.com
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:50 PM
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No I have not seen any comparisons of the DMR and D800E.  Can't
>>>>>> comment on the D800, but I do have a D4, and just off the top, the
>>>>>> DMR does a fair job against the D4 for an 8? year old design.
>>>>>> Although I have not made a side by side comparison of images.  The
>>>>>> D4 kills the DMR when it comes to high ISO, and kills just about
>>>>>> anything else in that category.  The D4 is very waterproof, from
>>>>>> recent experience, where the DMR may not be as good, as I keep it
>>>>>> out of the rain when I am not shooting, but it has not had any
>>>>>> glitches when it did get wet, but I worry about the motor to camera
>>>>>> interface not being too water tight.  They are both heavy, pretty
>>>>>> close actually, the DMR on the R8 is a bit shorter than the D4.
>>>>>> Turn on is much slower with the DMR, and so is write speed.  The
>>>>>> buffer on the DMR is very small, where the D4 buffer is vast and
>>>>>> you can shoot rapidly with no problem of the camera slowing down
>>>>>> (great for bird in flight photos), although i would bet Doug would
>>>>>> out do it with the DMR and a single click ;).  The R8DMR is a bit
>>>>>> quieter, noise wise, but the D4 beats the D800 or D700 by light
>>>>>> years in this area.  I prefer the simplicity of the DMR controls
>>>>>> over those of the D4, although the D4 controls are well laid out,
>>>>>> when compared to earlier Nikon DSLRs, and definitely better than
>>>>>> Canon DSLRs.  You can get
>>>>>> D4 batteries, where the DMR batteries are rarer than Hen's Teeth,
>>>>>> and must be rebuilt or use an external source if you cannot get
>>>>>> them rebuilt.  The charge also lasts way longer than the DMR's
>>>>>> batteries, although they are not cheap by any measure.  The auto
>>>>>> focus on the D4 is simply AMAZING! It locks on very fast and no
>>>>>> hunting at all, even in low light, MF with the D4 and older MF
>>>>>> Nikkors is very good also, as it has a bright view finder (but not
>>>>>> as quite as bright as the R8 I think).  MF on the DMR is getting a
>>>>>> bit slow with my 64 year old eyes, but still works good in most
>>>>>> light levels. Build for both is excellent, but would give the D4 a
>>>>>> bit of a nod here, due to the previously mentioned motor to camera
>>>>>> body interface of the DMR.  I will go out this weekend and do a
>>>>>> side by side image test of the two, probably with the 180/2.8 MF
>>>>>> Nikkor, and the 180/3.4 R APO lenses (Similar vintage lenses),
>>>>>> don't have any other similar lenses to compare.  But could do a
>>>>>> comparison of my 35~70R zoom and my 24~70 AF-S Nikkor zoom.  Any
>>>>>> thing I have not covered, that you would like to know?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> CHEERS,
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:22:20 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada
>>>>>> Central
>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has anyone seen a comparison of the DMR and the Nikon D800E?
>> Using
>>>>>> Leica glass, of course.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Frank Filippone
>>>>>> 
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