Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]AAAAAhhh come on Jon yer making more of it than it is! :-) A guy like me who's shot with Leicas for what seems a century or more on assignments from clients. Not Friday Flowers! Most unlike the greatest number on the LUG..... including portraits from birthing to death and everything in between. You did as I suggested look at my web site? Right? Might give you a better idea about my past using Leica gear as a professional shooter these long many years. :-) TEDGRANTPHOTO.COM I always try to help other photographers whom have yet to gain 63 years experience in this wild and crazy life of photography as an assigned professional photographer. It isn't a heavy duty subject if you don't "THINK ABOUT IT TOO MUCH!" After all, 99.9% of us started as amateurs and got lucky along the way and became "professionals in the Art of Photography!" You asked a question and I thought you received from the LUG CREW a reasonable amount of information. Be that good, bad or ugly in your eyes? And it created a great amont of interesting conversation. This place is a family of generally like minded folks. And as I have looked about this crazy world of electronics, I've never found a site like it anywhere! I suppose one would hope you are satisfied with the answers for your questions asked? Stay cool lad! If you don't receive the right answer in your mind and eyes? Ask it again, a bit more pointedly! Cheers, Dr. ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Streeter" <jon.streeter at cox.net> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] Marty, shutter lag in digital M >I will resist the temptation to offer shooting advice to other >photographers whom I don't know and with whose work I am not familiar. > > I thank Marty for providing really sound, articulate, and useful > information. I certainly appreciate Tina Manley's opinion that she has > not found the digital Ms to be problematic. I've been a fan of Tina's > work for years. > > On the other hand, some have advised me on how to anticipate action. > Others have told me shutter lag doesn't really exist. Still others have > said it's a waste of time to discuss shutter lag because it's not > important. Imagine being a traveler asking directions and being given > instruction on finding one's way, but not being given the directions you > seek. Imagine being told the place you seek doesn't exist, though you're > certain it does. Imagine being told you're foolish to go there. Well, > I've "been there." I bought my first camera, a Rolleiflex, when I was > fifteen. When I was seventeen, I bought a Leica M3. At the time, I had > only the vaguest idea of how terrific these cameras were. I was, however, > very serious about making photographs. If you see the photographs I was > taking (jonstreeter.com) when I was a teenager, I hope you will conclude > that I had some understanding of the craft early on. I was certainly > seduced by it. > > I posed my original question here, on the LEICA Users Group, in the hope > that I'd find someone with on-point experience to share. My question > is -- at the risk of repeating myself -- has anyone returned to a Leica > film camera after using DSLRs or digital Ms, shot portraits with it, and > thought the results were somehow better, that you got more hits than with > DSLRs or digital Ms, and then wondering if it's because the reason you're > getting such great facial expressions and gestures and movements might > just be because the Leica M has a shorter shutter lag than the DSLRs? > It's pretty much a yes-or-no question, with embellishments and invitations > to delve further into the subject most welcome. For example, one might > say, Yes, I've noticed that myself, but only between DSLRs and Leicas, > and, therefore, I have concluded it's not shutter lag but something else, > perhaps the way one perceives things through a rangefinder's viewfinder. > Or one might say, Yes, in my portrait sessions with the M9, I do get fewer > hits than with my MP. Or one might say, No, I've actually checked this > out because I wondered the same thing, and I can discern no difference in > the results between my M9 and my M7. Anybody? Of course, this might work > only if one has had portrait sittings or sessions with the same model done > with different cameras since in that case the main variable would be the > camera, not what's in front of it. I know some of you have not noticed a > problem with shutter lag, but since our styles and subject matter and > methods may very likely differ, I have no way to relate another > photographer's lack of notice of a problem with shutter lag to my own > situation. > > I would not have written such a lengthy post, but I wanted to make sure my > question was specific and clear. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Meier > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:59 PM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] Marty, shutter lag in digital M > > SLR's that have to autofocus before the shutter goes are not faster than > an M Leica. > > > On Nov 6, 2012, at 2:43 PM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Marty Deveney OFFERED: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marty Deveney" <benedenia at gmail.com> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 7:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Marty, shutter lag in digital M >> >>>> Now that the digital M >>>> cameras have long shutter-lag times even when compared to DSLRs, >>>> suddenly >>>> we're hearing that shutter lag doesn't matter, that nobody notices it. >>>> Really? Nobody? For capturing fleeting expressions in a portrait >>>> session, nobody has noticed it?<<<<<<<<<<< >> >> Marty Mon ami, >> Absolute truth at this moment of reading your posts on Leica lag! And me >> writing this. >> >> The "lag as you describe" in my 50 plus years of using Leica range >> finders/SLR's quite often several at the same time hanging off my body >> has >> never ever entered one iota of a mille-second of my thoughts, concerns, >> nor >> that it was even happening." To prove my point good Sir, please look at >> my >> webpage TEDGRANTPHOTO.COM and look at a few mille-second photos of >> "ACTIONS!" That if you even thought about shooting the moment.... "YOU >> WOULD >> MISS IT!" >> >> You see I always figure, as with many other techie things I read on the >> LUG. >> If you don't know anything about it? .......... YOU DON'T HAVE THEM >> HAPPEN! WHY? >> >> Well yer far too busy shooting the action without wasting time slowing >> down >> your own reflexes thinking about them, so this stuff just doesn't happen! >> :-) >> >> Well OK I know I'm being a tad facetious. But, "What you don't know wont >> hurt you!" >> >> "SHOOT IT WITHOUT THINKING!" >> >> The content of the moment is the most important always! And if you are >> twittering your brain about some "lag thing?" YOU WILL MISS THE CONTENT >> MOMENT! May have something to do with my concept!" "DON'T THINK! SHOOT >> IT!" >> >> cheers, >> Dr. ted >> >> >>> >>> The M8, M9 and Monochrom lag time is about 1/13s. To me it's the most >>> substantial problem with all these cameras. It's been discussed here >>> widely before: >>> http://leica-users.org/v43/msg02993.html >>> http://leica-users.org/v44/msg03170.html >>> >>> Leica has stated that the new M (typ 240) has new architecture that >>> makes the camera faster and the shutter feel smoother. The dummy >>> cameras that have been doing the rounds at the trade fairs seem to >>> display at least the latter, while no-one has measured the former. >>> >>> Marty >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information