Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/09/22
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Sep 22, 2012, at 11:37 AM, tedgrant at shaw.ca wrote: > FRANK DERNIE OFFERED: > Subject: Re: [Leica] New M/ BOKEH????? > > > Hi Doc., > 2 things. > The lenses you use have good boke, whether you chose them because of that > or not... > Whether backgrounds are distraction depends both on the background and the > framing. You are a master at framing. > > You have dealt with the problem at source whether conciously or not. > ============ > Hi Frank, > In all my years of buying Leica stuff I simply figured it was the best in > the world for my kind of photography. Rarely if ever did any test things!! > ..... After all, aren't the lenses the "best in the world" ERGO: Why > waste time testing. It was out of box onto camera and get cracking > shooting the assignment. > > The odd time I might shoot a few frames wide open just to see what it > looked like wide open and the response was always....... "COOL!" Put it > behind you with nary a second thought. Move on to next assignment. :-) > > So when some of the Lads get into the techie stiff of backgrounds and the > myriad of other things that have never crossed my mind shooting hundreds > of thousands of images. I've wondered if I might have taken better > pictures if I were more skilled at much of the techie stuff? Now that's in > the beautiful days and simplicity of film. I think Ted, you did it intuitively, naturally before the shot by framing, by shooting wide open, with nary a thought about it, and it happened beautifully, naturally... Ben Johnson and the Barcelona diver are two good examples.... Steve > Today and digital???? It's a whole new ball game in handling the images > "after the fact of exposure!" I don't see nor shoot any differently than > film. But most certainly have become aware I'm major lacking in computer > and software skills. Absolutely no question and I'm the first to admit it! > So many on the list have been extremely helpful, so my "tweaking has > improved !" :-) > > But I've always been a recorder of life throughout my career as a > photographer, be it film or digi. But the technical aspect? I'm a near > total loss! Simply because "CAPTURING THE MOMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE > DRIVING FORCE.!" First and foremost. Techie things?????????? > > Some how I suppose I've been damn lucky to have got away for so long in my > fashion. > > Anyway I read the techie things..... most times I don't have a clue what > you lads are talking about. But it is interesting until it drags on three > or four days! ;-) ;-) ;-) Then I go out in my garden and look for "Happy > Snaps!" :-) :-) > > thank you all for your patients and assistance! > > cheers, > Dr. ted > > >> ________________________________ >> From: "tedgrant at shaw.ca" <tedgrant at shaw.ca> >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2012, 10:41 >> Subject: Re: [Leica] New M/ BOKEH????? >> >> May I put this into a test of shooting a real documentary for one of my >> medical books.Those of you who do not have the pleasure of a copy of any >> of >> the three might not have one word to say. >> >> Here's how I work. >> >> I'm in scrubs, 3 M cameras around my neck, a couple of motor drive SLR 's >> hanging off shoulders with different lenses. And away I go with not one >> iota >> of a thought other than making sure everything is set for proper exposure! >> >> Now it is my eye that is canning the scene watching - looking for the >> twinkle in an eye just over the mask, the helter skelter of hands holding >> instruments, the glint in an eye and doing all this without any techie >> thoughts or concerns about bokeh or many other things that always seem to >> put the fear of God into others their picture taking. >> >> Regardless of all the banter about many things.... Bokeh for example, >> never >> ever enters my mind nor nary an incline of thought as I'm concentrating on >> the many subjects. >> >> Just look through any of the book picture pages and point out to me where >> the bokeh is a distracting spoiling element in the intensity of the photo >> moment. For the life of me I cannot imagine it ever entering thought >> process >> as a new heart valve is being inserted into the heart of the patient. >> >> Please by my guest and tell me the plate number of the photo page and >> point >> out the bokeh spoiled photo.... thank you. >> >> cheers, >> Dr. ted :-) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRANK DERNIE" <frank.dernie at >> btinternet.com> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] New M/ BOKEH????? >> >> >>> The thing is, Mark, you are a night owl. You go out taking pictures in >>> low >>> light, and prefer to stop down a bit for DoF. >>> Not everybody does this. >>> I am in bed early and up at dawn. I mainly take pictures in good light, >>> and if it is less good I use my lenses wide open. >>> I don't care all that much about high iso performance, though I know you >>> do. Many are like me, I imagine, though we don't bang on about it thrice >>> daily. >>> If you shoot frequently wide open it is likely that between 50% and 95% >>> of >>> the frame is OOF so, for people who do this boke is indeed important for >>> the overall look of the print, though of course it is the in-focus bit >>> that is important (usually). >>> IME the nature of the background makes more difference to the boke than >>> the lens itself. Sun through a leafy bush or tree being the most tricky >>> IME. I do not keep a lens if I don't like the boke, personally, so it is >>> not an issue for me. >>> All my Leica lenses have good or excellent boke. Most of my Canon lenses >>> do too. A few Nikon lenses have been disappointing and several of the >>> Voigtlander rangefinder lenses too. The 50mm f1.5 was very disappointing >>> in this regard. >>> My habits are very different from yours, so my requirements are also very >>> different. >>> cheers, >>> Frank Dernie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2012, 8:05 >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New M/ BOKEH????? >>>> >>>> In agreement where Ted is coming from the idea of good or bad bokeh >>>> being >>>> a >>>> deal breaker and really the main focus of why to buy one lens over >>>> another >>>> is so obsurd it makes my teeth hurt. Far more important would seem to be >>>> to >>>> focus ones attention on what's in focus. >>>> Vibration reduction is a huge thing. Huge. >>>> A paradigm shifter big time. >>>> If its conceivably possible that it would effect the out of focus areas >>>> of >>>> the image my big thought on the issue is: who the hell cares? You're >>>> hand >>>> holding a 30omm lens at a 50th of a second I say that's a reason to >>>> celebrate. And a reason to go out and make images like you never could >>>> before. Or stay in and do it in your living room... turn the lights down >>>> low. Not have to use a wide. Do a portrait session with a 90mm and >>>> candlelight. >>>> >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information