Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/08/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I take the photograph - and then decide when it comes up on the screen whether it should be colour or b&w. Sometimes months later, when I revisit the photograph. Seems to be simpler this way - why overly complicate taking photographs, when instinct works so well in general? At least for us lesser souls who do not do this for a living. After all, the composition should be in balance, whether colour or b&w. Cheers Jayanand On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com> wrote: > I agree with you Henning, and for a long time I had trouble getting my > head around things. It is all to do with that lovely word > 'previsualisation'. When we first see an image we previsualise how it will > look as a print and make a split-second decision on whether it will be in > b&w or colour. We then shoot accordingly but when it pops up on the screen > we have to make that decision all over again and very often the decision > goes in the opposite direction to our original thought so we end up with a > mediocre colour image because we shot it as b&w (or occasionally the other > way around). > > I have finally managed to get my head around this (I think!) but it now > occurs to me that one possibility, if the camera will allow, is to shoot > raw+jpeg but set the jpeg to b&w in your menu. That way you can just look > at the jpegs in the first instance by selecting only them in a program like > Lightroom etc. > > Just my thoughts, > > Gerry > > Gerry Walden > +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or > +44 (0)797 287 7932 > www.gwpics.com > > On 28 Aug 2012, at 23:11, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com> wrote: > > > I find it rather hard to shoot B&W with the regular flavour (colour) > digital cameras. No matter how I think in B&W, when I chimp I still see > colour, unless I shoot in jpeg and I'm not going down that route. If I see > the LCD with a colour image and start getting that in my head, I have > trouble taking the next picture for B&W, especially if its just a slight > variation on the first. > > > > The best I can do with a regular camera is with the M8 or M9; there I > can just shoot, turn off the LCD and not chimp and I see through the > viewfinder what I would see with any M camera loaded with B&W camera I ever > had. So right now I shoot colour with the M9 and B&W with the M8; I can get > my mind around that. Also, since I've always had trouble really getting my > mind around shooting colour and B&W on the same day, I usually only take > one or the other. > > > > When I was shooting a lot of 4x5 for assignments, clients would > sometimes ask me to shoot both colour and B&W for them, and I'd have to ask > which was the more important? Then I'd get into that frame of mind and > bring back a good set of the primary type and a not so good set of the > other. If it was medium format stuff I'd usually try to shoot one type > first and then come back the next day for the other, if the budget allowed > for it and everything else cooperated. Just having two cameras loaded with > different film didn't give optimum results for one or the other. > > > > I'm extremely tempted by the MM, and if the M10 wouldn't be announced in > a month I'd probably order an MM. But I'll wait and see. > > > > Henning > > > > > > On 2012-08-27, at 2:46 PM, Tina Manley wrote: > > > >> I am getting the MM for the new sensor with higher ISO performance and > >> better resolution. I will carry two cameras, the M9 for color and the > MM > >> for B&W, just like I did with film. I don't see how that will hamper my > >> success as a B&W photographer. > >> > >> Tina > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> For me one of the most useful attributes of the new digital realm most > of > >>> us move in is that we have a black and white camera and a colour camera > >>> built into one. What is more, we have every speed of film plus some at > our > >>> disposal every time we put that camera to our eye. i do not need a b&w > >>> camera and a colour camera. I have them both in a single unit and can > use > >>> them accordingly. If you continue thinking of b&w as a 'spin-off' of > the > >>> colour digital camera you have slung around your neck you will never > be a > >>> successful b&w photographer. It would be like owning a car and only > ever > >>> using one of its gears. > >>> > >>> Gerry > >>> > >>> Gerry Walden > >>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or > >>> +44 (0)797 287 7932 > >>> www.gwpics.com > >>> > >>> On 27 Aug 2012, at 21:54, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:28 PM, tedgrant at shaw.ca wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> And they look quite good! Occasionally it's nice to feel... "Well > that > >>> kinda looks like I still have the touch!" And smile inwardly! :-) > >>>> > >>>> You have worked long enough > >>>> and hard enough > >>>> to have the soul of a photographer > >>>> firmly and permanently installed. > >>>> Ain't never ever go'n away. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> George Lottermoser > >>>> george at imagist.com > >>>> http://www.imagist.com > >>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog > >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Tina Manley, ASMP > >> www.tinamanley.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > Henning Wulff > > henningw at archiphoto.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >