Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/08/28
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I agree with you Henning, and for a long time I had trouble getting my head around things. It is all to do with that lovely word 'previsualisation'. When we first see an image we previsualise how it will look as a print and make a split-second decision on whether it will be in b&w or colour. We then shoot accordingly but when it pops up on the screen we have to make that decision all over again and very often the decision goes in the opposite direction to our original thought so we end up with a mediocre colour image because we shot it as b&w (or occasionally the other way around). I have finally managed to get my head around this (I think!) but it now occurs to me that one possibility, if the camera will allow, is to shoot raw+jpeg but set the jpeg to b&w in your menu. That way you can just look at the jpegs in the first instance by selecting only them in a program like Lightroom etc. Just my thoughts, Gerry Gerry Walden +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or +44 (0)797 287 7932 www.gwpics.com On 28 Aug 2012, at 23:11, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com> wrote: > I find it rather hard to shoot B&W with the regular flavour (colour) > digital cameras. No matter how I think in B&W, when I chimp I still see > colour, unless I shoot in jpeg and I'm not going down that route. If I see > the LCD with a colour image and start getting that in my head, I have > trouble taking the next picture for B&W, especially if its just a slight > variation on the first. > > The best I can do with a regular camera is with the M8 or M9; there I can > just shoot, turn off the LCD and not chimp and I see through the > viewfinder what I would see with any M camera loaded with B&W camera I > ever had. So right now I shoot colour with the M9 and B&W with the M8; I > can get my mind around that. Also, since I've always had trouble really > getting my mind around shooting colour and B&W on the same day, I usually > only take one or the other. > > When I was shooting a lot of 4x5 for assignments, clients would sometimes > ask me to shoot both colour and B&W for them, and I'd have to ask which > was the more important? Then I'd get into that frame of mind and bring > back a good set of the primary type and a not so good set of the other. If > it was medium format stuff I'd usually try to shoot one type first and > then come back the next day for the other, if the budget allowed for it > and everything else cooperated. Just having two cameras loaded with > different film didn't give optimum results for one or the other. > > I'm extremely tempted by the MM, and if the M10 wouldn't be announced in a > month I'd probably order an MM. But I'll wait and see. > > Henning > > > On 2012-08-27, at 2:46 PM, Tina Manley wrote: > >> I am getting the MM for the new sensor with higher ISO performance and >> better resolution. I will carry two cameras, the M9 for color and the MM >> for B&W, just like I did with film. I don't see how that will hamper my >> success as a B&W photographer. >> >> Tina >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com> >> wrote: >> >>> For me one of the most useful attributes of the new digital realm most of >>> us move in is that we have a black and white camera and a colour camera >>> built into one. What is more, we have every speed of film plus some at >>> our >>> disposal every time we put that camera to our eye. i do not need a b&w >>> camera and a colour camera. I have them both in a single unit and can use >>> them accordingly. If you continue thinking of b&w as a 'spin-off' of the >>> colour digital camera you have slung around your neck you will never be a >>> successful b&w photographer. It would be like owning a car and only ever >>> using one of its gears. >>> >>> Gerry >>> >>> Gerry Walden >>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or >>> +44 (0)797 287 7932 >>> www.gwpics.com >>> >>> On 27 Aug 2012, at 21:54, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:28 PM, tedgrant at shaw.ca wrote: >>>> >>>>> And they look quite good! Occasionally it's nice to feel... "Well that >>> kinda looks like I still have the touch!" And smile inwardly! :-) >>>> >>>> You have worked long enough >>>> and hard enough >>>> to have the soul of a photographer >>>> firmly and permanently installed. >>>> Ain't never ever go'n away. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> George Lottermoser >>>> george at imagist.com >>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tina Manley, ASMP >> www.tinamanley.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > Henning Wulff > henningw at archiphoto.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information