Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/08/28
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I think the M9 will do that as will many other comeras, but that would mean that the camera becomes a lot slower than it already is. I don't shoot on 'Continuous', but even on 'Single' I often hit the buffer limit because it is so slow. Doing RAW plus jpeg makes everything that much slower. The best that I know of are the Olympus Pen cameras, which can shoot RAW but be set to B&W, and show B&W on the review screen. Their buffer isn't that bad either, but they have a lot of other problems. If you could reasonably zone focus them they'd be a lot better. Henning On 2012-08-28, at 10:54 PM, Gerry Walden wrote: > I agree with you Henning, and for a long time I had trouble getting my > head around things. It is all to do with that lovely word > 'previsualisation'. When we first see an image we previsualise how it will > look as a print and make a split-second decision on whether it will be in > b&w or colour. We then shoot accordingly but when it pops up on the screen > we have to make that decision all over again and very often the decision > goes in the opposite direction to our original thought so we end up with a > mediocre colour image because we shot it as b&w (or occasionally the other > way around). > > I have finally managed to get my head around this (I think!) but it now > occurs to me that one possibility, if the camera will allow, is to shoot > raw+jpeg but set the jpeg to b&w in your menu. That way you can just look > at the jpegs in the first instance by selecting only them in a program > like Lightroom etc. > > Just my thoughts, > > Gerry > > Gerry Walden > +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or > +44 (0)797 287 7932 > www.gwpics.com > > On 28 Aug 2012, at 23:11, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com> wrote: > >> I find it rather hard to shoot B&W with the regular flavour (colour) >> digital cameras. No matter how I think in B&W, when I chimp I still see >> colour, unless I shoot in jpeg and I'm not going down that route. If I >> see the LCD with a colour image and start getting that in my head, I have >> trouble taking the next picture for B&W, especially if its just a slight >> variation on the first. >> >> The best I can do with a regular camera is with the M8 or M9; there I can >> just shoot, turn off the LCD and not chimp and I see through the >> viewfinder what I would see with any M camera loaded with B&W camera I >> ever had. So right now I shoot colour with the M9 and B&W with the M8; I >> can get my mind around that. Also, since I've always had trouble really >> getting my mind around shooting colour and B&W on the same day, I usually >> only take one or the other. >> >> When I was shooting a lot of 4x5 for assignments, clients would sometimes >> ask me to shoot both colour and B&W for them, and I'd have to ask which >> was the more important? Then I'd get into that frame of mind and bring >> back a good set of the primary type and a not so good set of the other. >> If it was medium format stuff I'd usually try to shoot one type first and >> then come back the next day for the other, if the budget allowed for it >> and everything else cooperated. Just having two cameras loaded with >> different film didn't give optimum results for one or the other. >> >> I'm extremely tempted by the MM, and if the M10 wouldn't be announced in >> a month I'd probably order an MM. But I'll wait and see. >> >> Henning >> >> >> On 2012-08-27, at 2:46 PM, Tina Manley wrote: >> >>> I am getting the MM for the new sensor with higher ISO performance and >>> better resolution. I will carry two cameras, the M9 for color and the MM >>> for B&W, just like I did with film. I don't see how that will hamper my >>> success as a B&W photographer. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> For me one of the most useful attributes of the new digital realm most >>>> of >>>> us move in is that we have a black and white camera and a colour camera >>>> built into one. What is more, we have every speed of film plus some at >>>> our >>>> disposal every time we put that camera to our eye. i do not need a b&w >>>> camera and a colour camera. I have them both in a single unit and can >>>> use >>>> them accordingly. If you continue thinking of b&w as a 'spin-off' of the >>>> colour digital camera you have slung around your neck you will never be >>>> a >>>> successful b&w photographer. It would be like owning a car and only ever >>>> using one of its gears. >>>> >>>> Gerry >>>> >>>> Gerry Walden >>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or >>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932 >>>> www.gwpics.com >>>> >>>> On 27 Aug 2012, at 21:54, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:28 PM, tedgrant at shaw.ca wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And they look quite good! Occasionally it's nice to feel... "Well that >>>> kinda looks like I still have the touch!" And smile inwardly! :-) >>>>> >>>>> You have worked long enough >>>>> and hard enough >>>>> to have the soul of a photographer >>>>> firmly and permanently installed. >>>>> Ain't never ever go'n away. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>> george at imagist.com >>>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tina Manley, ASMP >>> www.tinamanley.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> Henning Wulff >> henningw at archiphoto.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > Henning Wulff henningw at archiphoto.com