Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/08/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]What influences a persons complex workflow of artistic pre visualizing in which you've got your own clear idea in your minds eye on how your image is going to appear and if its black and white and not color and not 3d its going to be a jump now matter how you go but if you're getting constant feedback from the back of your digital camera its hard not to ignore that and let it influence you in your pre conceived ideas. Its nice if your end result for instance is going to be black and white to have it look like that on your monitor as you are checking to see how much blur your getting and if you've got the thing in focus or not. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: "Henning J. Wulff" <henningw at archiphoto.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:04:05 -0700 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] SHOOTING B&W? - HENNING > > I think the M9 will do that as will many other comeras, but that would mean > that the camera becomes a lot slower than it already is. I don't shoot on > 'Continuous', but even on 'Single' I often hit the buffer limit because it > is > so slow. Doing RAW plus jpeg makes everything that much slower. The best > that > I know of are the Olympus Pen cameras, which can shoot RAW but be set to > B&W, > and show B&W on the review screen. Their buffer isn't that bad either, but > they have a lot of other problems. If you could reasonably zone focus them > they'd be a lot better. > > Henning > > > > On 2012-08-28, at 10:54 PM, Gerry Walden wrote: > >> I agree with you Henning, and for a long time I had trouble getting my >> head >> around things. It is all to do with that lovely word 'previsualisation'. >> When >> we first see an image we previsualise how it will look as a print and >> make a >> split-second decision on whether it will be in b&w or colour. We then >> shoot >> accordingly but when it pops up on the screen we have to make that >> decision >> all over again and very often the decision goes in the opposite direction >> to >> our original thought so we end up with a mediocre colour image because we >> shot it as b&w (or occasionally the other way around). >> >> I have finally managed to get my head around this (I think!) but it now >> occurs to me that one possibility, if the camera will allow, is to shoot >> raw+jpeg but set the jpeg to b&w in your menu. That way you can just look >> at >> the jpegs in the first instance by selecting only them in a program like >> Lightroom etc. >> >> Just my thoughts, >> >> Gerry >> >> Gerry Walden >> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or >> +44 (0)797 287 7932 >> www.gwpics.com >> >> On 28 Aug 2012, at 23:11, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I find it rather hard to shoot B&W with the regular flavour (colour) >>> digital >>> cameras. No matter how I think in B&W, when I chimp I still see colour, >>> unless I shoot in jpeg and I'm not going down that route. If I see the >>> LCD >>> with a colour image and start getting that in my head, I have trouble >>> taking >>> the next picture for B&W, especially if its just a slight variation on >>> the >>> first. >>> >>> The best I can do with a regular camera is with the M8 or M9; there I can >>> just shoot, turn off the LCD and not chimp and I see through the >>> viewfinder >>> what I would see with any M camera loaded with B&W camera I ever had. So >>> right now I shoot colour with the M9 and B&W with the M8; I can get my >>> mind >>> around that. Also, since I've always had trouble really getting my mind >>> around shooting colour and B&W on the same day, I usually only take one >>> or >>> the other. >>> >>> When I was shooting a lot of 4x5 for assignments, clients would sometimes >>> ask me to shoot both colour and B&W for them, and I'd have to ask which >>> was >>> the more important? Then I'd get into that frame of mind and bring back a >>> good set of the primary type and a not so good set of the other. If it >>> was >>> medium format stuff I'd usually try to shoot one type first and then come >>> back the next day for the other, if the budget allowed for it and >>> everything >>> else cooperated. Just having two cameras loaded with different film >>> didn't >>> give optimum results for one or the other. >>> >>> I'm extremely tempted by the MM, and if the M10 wouldn't be announced in >>> a >>> month I'd probably order an MM. But I'll wait and see. >>> >>> Henning >>> >>> >>> On 2012-08-27, at 2:46 PM, Tina Manley wrote: >>> >>>> I am getting the MM for the new sensor with higher ISO performance and >>>> better resolution. I will carry two cameras, the M9 for color and the >>>> MM >>>> for B&W, just like I did with film. I don't see how that will hamper my >>>> success as a B&W photographer. >>>> >>>> Tina >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For me one of the most useful attributes of the new digital realm most >>>>> of >>>>> us move in is that we have a black and white camera and a colour camera >>>>> built into one. What is more, we have every speed of film plus some at >>>>> our >>>>> disposal every time we put that camera to our eye. i do not need a b&w >>>>> camera and a colour camera. I have them both in a single unit and can >>>>> use >>>>> them accordingly. If you continue thinking of b&w as a 'spin-off' of >>>>> the >>>>> colour digital camera you have slung around your neck you will never >>>>> be a >>>>> successful b&w photographer. It would be like owning a car and only >>>>> ever >>>>> using one of its gears. >>>>> >>>>> Gerry >>>>> >>>>> Gerry Walden >>>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or >>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932 >>>>> www.gwpics.com >>>>> >>>>> On 27 Aug 2012, at 21:54, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:28 PM, tedgrant at shaw.ca wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And they look quite good! Occasionally it's nice to feel... "Well >>>>>>> that >>>>> kinda looks like I still have the touch!" And smile inwardly! :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> You have worked long enough >>>>>> and hard enough >>>>>> to have the soul of a photographer >>>>>> firmly and permanently installed. >>>>>> Ain't never ever go'n away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>>> george at imagist.com >>>>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tina Manley, ASMP >>>> www.tinamanley.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> Henning Wulff >>> henningw at archiphoto.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > Henning Wulff > henningw at archiphoto.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information