[Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints

[bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen)]

DOH! Thanks Tina. That's what comes of walking dogs and emailing at the same 
time.;-)
Typed with big fingers on tiny keys

-----Original Message-----
From: Tina Manley <images at comporium.net>
Sender: lug-bounces+bd=bdcolenphoto.com at leica-users.org
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:17:13 
To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints

Should be  http://www.digitalsilverimaging.com/

Tina

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:05 AM, John McMaster <john at 
chiaroscuro.co.nz>wrote:

> Site just says " New Site by SEES.US" to me....
>
> john
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> www.digitalsilver.com
>
> They do fantastic work - everything from quicky RC prints to custom, toned
> if it's what you want, dw mat air-dried prints. I just had a digital image
> printed and framed for a former student and friend's 60th.
> Typed with big fingers on tiny keys
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I have recently scanned in some 6x6 negs that I still have selenium toned
> Oriental Seagull prints of, will compare sometime soon.......
>
> john
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I really was hoping that the look would be on par. May be digital negatives
> would produce better output than the Durst Theta, but I sort of doubt it
> now.
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:26 PM, John McMaster
> <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>wrote:
>
> > Well it has been 15 years since I have had a new silver gelatin print
> > :-(
> >
> > john
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > I meant the death..for me, obviously not for the billion other people
> > still printing in the dark room.
> > On Jun 19, 2012 11:13 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The real point being the process has not died just becuae somebody
> > prefers
> > > it over another and its tasteless to have it be a thread name. I
> > > feel
> > like
> > > I'm an idiot contributing to it.
> > >
> > > - - from my iRabs.
> > > Mark Rabiner
> > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> > > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > > > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:07:17 -0400
> > > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints
> > > >
> > > > I was an Ilford Multigrade fan not the warm or the cool and I'd
> > > > use the
> > > RC
> > > > for my proof sheets and an occasional work print. I think its
> > > > possible
> > > they
> > > > still make the stuff. I saw a bunch of it at B&H not that many
> > > > months
> > > ago.
> > > > Somebody bought Ilford but the typeface is the same.
> > > >
> > > > - - from my iRabs.
> > > > Mark Rabiner
> > > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
> > > >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > > >> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:01:50 +1200
> > > >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints
> > > >>
> > > >> To me there is nothing like the range of papers out there
> > > >> compared to
> > a
> > > few
> > > >> years back. I preferred Oriental Seagull over Galerie gloss (I
> > > >> liked
> > the
> > > >> matt), no Agfa warm tone (or cold for that matter) etc etc.
> > > >>
> > > >> john
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>
> > > >> I missed the part on how the silver gelatin prints died.
> > > >>
> > > >> - - from my iRabs.
> > > >> Mark Rabiner
> > > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Oh, and the gloss is less "annoying." The Z has a gloss
> > > >>> optimizer which really helps here, I think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Although I have to say, there is something about that pure black
> > > >>> in the silver print that has a lot of appeal. Just slightly more
> > > >>> appealing in that case...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Man
> > > >>> <richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Quite a bit sharper (this is from the same file of course),
> > > >>>> better noise in the shadow and generally more contrast (macro
> > > >>>> and micro ?)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Montie <montoid at earthlink.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Just curious, better how?  More gloss, blacker blacks?
> > > >>>>> etc.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Montie
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Overblown sensational title? Surely you jest? :-)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Yes, a tad.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Yes, I went for the premium option, even with Selenium toning
> > > >>>>> (50% more $).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It's quite superb, just that Z+ Gloss Baryta is better. I was
> > hoping
> > > >>>>> they would be equal.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Montie
> > > >>>>> <montoid at earthlink.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> It's a Durst Theta 51. Was your image uploaded via Roes for
> > > >>>>>> their value RC print?  Not Great.  Try their custom printing
> > > >>>>>> on Ilfobrom Galerie Fiber (Baryta based) Semi Gloss...Superb,
> > > >>>>>> assuming the
> > file
> > > >>>>>> is good in the first place.  300 dpi or better etc. Your
> > > >>>>>> subject title may be a tad overblown?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Montie
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Folks might remember that I tried doing digital negative
> before.
> > > >>>>>>>> In
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> end, unsuccessfully because my HP Z3100 is just not good for
> > > >>>>>> that particular type of task (digital negative for silver
> > > >>>>>> contact
> > prints
> > > >>>>>> - apparently, it works great for digital negatives with
> > alternative
> > > >>>>> process).
> > > >>>>>> Eventually when I have to replace the Z3100, I will probably
> > > >>>>>> get
> > an
> > > >>>>> Epson
> > > >>>>>> and try the experiment again.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Meanwhile, since I have to make some 17x22 prints for a
> > > >>>>>> couple gallery shows, I got a 8x10 sample print from Digital
> > > >>>>>> Silver where you upload
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> digital file and they print it using some sort of LED laser
> > > >>>>>> and then processed in wet chemical.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I make the same print on the Z. Comparing to the Z3100
> > > >>>>>> printing on Gloss Baryta, it's no comparison, the inkjet
> > > >>>>>> print looks better in
> > > >> every way.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> So Z+Gloss Baryta it is.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
> > > >>>>>
>
>
>
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