Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/19

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Subject: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:13:14 -0400

The real point being the process has not died just becuae somebody prefers
it over another and its tasteless to have it be a thread name. I feel like
I'm an idiot contributing to it.

- - from my iRabs.
Mark Rabiner
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/


> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:07:17 -0400
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints
> 
> I was an Ilford Multigrade fan not the warm or the cool and I'd use the RC
> for my proof sheets and an occasional work print. I think its possible they
> still make the stuff. I saw a bunch of it at B&H not that many months ago.
> Somebody bought Ilford but the typeface is the same.
> 
> - - from my iRabs.
> Mark Rabiner
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> 
> 
>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:01:50 +1200
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints
>> 
>> To me there is nothing like the range of papers out there compared to a 
>> few
>> years back. I preferred Oriental Seagull over Galerie gloss (I liked the
>> matt), no Agfa warm tone (or cold for that matter) etc etc.
>> 
>> john
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> I missed the part on how the silver gelatin prints died.
>> 
>> - - from my iRabs.
>> Mark Rabiner
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>> 
>> 
>>> Oh, and the gloss is less "annoying." The Z has a gloss optimizer
>>> which really helps here, I think.
>>> 
>>> Although I have to say, there is something about that pure black in
>>> the silver print that has a lot of appeal. Just slightly more
>>> appealing in that case...
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Man
>>> <richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Quite a bit sharper (this is from the same file of course), better
>>>> noise in the shadow and generally more contrast (macro and micro ?)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Montie <montoid at earthlink.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Just curious, better how?  More gloss, blacker blacks?
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Montie
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Overblown sensational title? Surely you jest? :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, a tad.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, I went for the premium option, even with Selenium toning (50%
>>>>> more $).
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's quite superb, just that Z+ Gloss Baryta is better. I was hoping
>>>>> they would be equal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Montie <montoid at earthlink.net> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's a Durst Theta 51. Was your image uploaded via Roes for their
>>>>>> value RC print?  Not Great.  Try their custom printing on Ilfobrom
>>>>>> Galerie Fiber (Baryta based) Semi Gloss...Superb, assuming the file
>>>>>> is good in the first place.  300 dpi or better etc. Your subject
>>>>>> title may be a tad overblown?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Montie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Folks might remember that I tried doing digital negative before.
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>> the
>>>>>> end, unsuccessfully because my HP Z3100 is just not good for that
>>>>>> particular type of task (digital negative for silver contact prints
>>>>>> - apparently, it works great for digital negatives with alternative
>>>>> process).
>>>>>> Eventually when I have to replace the Z3100, I will probably get an
>>>>> Epson
>>>>>> and try the experiment again.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Meanwhile, since I have to make some 17x22 prints for a couple
>>>>>> gallery shows, I got a 8x10 sample print from Digital Silver where
>>>>>> you upload
>>>>> the
>>>>>> digital file and they print it using some sort of LED laser and
>>>>>> then processed in wet chemical.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I make the same print on the Z. Comparing to the Z3100 printing on
>>>>>> Gloss Baryta, it's no comparison, the inkjet print looks better in
>> every way.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So Z+Gloss Baryta it is.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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