[Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints

[john at chiaroscuro.co.nz (John McMaster)]

Well it has been 15 years since I have had a new silver gelatin print :-(

john

-----Original Message-----

I meant the death..for me, obviously not for the billion other people still
printing in the dark room.
On Jun 19, 2012 11:13 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> The real point being the process has not died just becuae somebody prefers
> it over another and its tasteless to have it be a thread name. I feel like
> I'm an idiot contributing to it.
>
> - - from my iRabs.
> Mark Rabiner
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>
>
> > From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:07:17 -0400
> > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints
> >
> > I was an Ilford Multigrade fan not the warm or the cool and I'd use the
> RC
> > for my proof sheets and an occasional work print. I think its possible
> they
> > still make the stuff. I saw a bunch of it at B&H not that many months
> ago.
> > Somebody bought Ilford but the typeface is the same.
> >
> > - - from my iRabs.
> > Mark Rabiner
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> >
> >
> >> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:01:50 +1200
> >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints
> >>
> >> To me there is nothing like the range of papers out there compared to a
> few
> >> years back. I preferred Oriental Seagull over Galerie gloss (I liked
the
> >> matt), no Agfa warm tone (or cold for that matter) etc etc.
> >>
> >> john
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> I missed the part on how the silver gelatin prints died.
> >>
> >> - - from my iRabs.
> >> Mark Rabiner
> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> >>
> >>
> >>> Oh, and the gloss is less "annoying." The Z has a gloss optimizer
> >>> which really helps here, I think.
> >>>
> >>> Although I have to say, there is something about that pure black in
> >>> the silver print that has a lot of appeal. Just slightly more
> >>> appealing in that case...
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Man
> >>> <richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Quite a bit sharper (this is from the same file of course), better
> >>>> noise in the shadow and generally more contrast (macro and micro ?)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Montie <montoid at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Just curious, better how?  More gloss, blacker blacks?
> >>>>> etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Montie
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Overblown sensational title? Surely you jest? :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, a tad.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, I went for the premium option, even with Selenium toning (50%
> >>>>> more $).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's quite superb, just that Z+ Gloss Baryta is better. I was hoping
> >>>>> they would be equal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Montie <montoid at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It's a Durst Theta 51. Was your image uploaded via Roes for their
> >>>>>> value RC print?  Not Great.  Try their custom printing on Ilfobrom
> >>>>>> Galerie Fiber (Baryta based) Semi Gloss...Superb, assuming the file
> >>>>>> is good in the first place.  300 dpi or better etc. Your subject
> >>>>>> title may be a tad overblown?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Montie
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Folks might remember that I tried doing digital negative before.
> >>>>>>>> In
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> end, unsuccessfully because my HP Z3100 is just not good for that
> >>>>>> particular type of task (digital negative for silver contact prints
> >>>>>> - apparently, it works great for digital negatives with alternative
> >>>>> process).
> >>>>>> Eventually when I have to replace the Z3100, I will probably get an
> >>>>> Epson
> >>>>>> and try the experiment again.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Meanwhile, since I have to make some 17x22 prints for a couple
> >>>>>> gallery shows, I got a 8x10 sample print from Digital Silver where
> >>>>>> you upload
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> digital file and they print it using some sort of LED laser and
> >>>>>> then processed in wet chemical.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I make the same print on the Z. Comparing to the Z3100 printing on
> >>>>>> Gloss Baryta, it's no comparison, the inkjet print looks better in
> >> every way.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So Z+Gloss Baryta it is.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
> >>>>>