Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/09/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Oh I SEE! MY last post: " They would want the body in my opinion to be much smaller than the S2. Leica is not about cameras which are bigger than they need to be. But as compact as possible. So the tooling would need to be made fresh. And they don't want to keep making or selling or talking about R lenes. So I don't see it happening. They want you to use the S system spend a lot of money and knock everybody's socks off. Not the R system which didn't get much respect." I notice I said " Not the R system which didn't get much respect." And it didn't. >From me I did though not that anybody cared. George I was on the LUG a full decade before you ever got here. I'm very pro gung ho Leica in every which way and have expended the virtues of all phases of the Leica R, M and LTM a thousand ways. Check the archives the record is there. I'd have loved to be using them I'm a die hard Leica guy. But it didn't work out that way. I was using mainly Leica M's in the 90's and for SLR needs which were few in 35mm I'd make due with ny Nikon macro's and longer glass than 135. For me to state that the Leica R was not seen as highly as the M is only me relating a well known long known fact. I wish it was different. But it ain't. It didn't mean I didn't like the system. And that's the past tense. Because just like Elvis and Marilyn it had left the building. Not with us any more. Past tense. I'm doing ok with what's available to me now in the present tense. Stuff I can see. The State of Leica R now is you can put the glass on a Nikon and a Canon and shot full frame with them with not quite but almost full functioning. That really sounds ok with me. I'm not seeing the big problem. -------------------- Mark William Rabiner Photography mark at rabinergroup.com > From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:13:41 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Conversation: [Leica] New R Solution? > Subject: Re: [Leica] New R Solution? > > I don't respect WHAT?!?! > > -------------------- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > mark at rabinergroup.com > > >> From: Lottermoser George <imagist3 at mac.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 00:51:58 -0500 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] New R Solution? >> >> Mark, >> >> you give me the feeling that you measure "respect" for SLR systems by the >> quantity of a particular brand which you see bunched up at event shooting >> galleries; >> instead of the quality of the, yes fewer, professional photographers who >> both >> respect and choose Leica 35mm reflex camera systems over their five >> decades >> of >> production. >> >> Look up David Douglas Duncan's "Self-Portrait U.S.A." >> <http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/web/ddd/publications/selfportrait.html>> > >> He shot the 68 conventions with both Leica SL's and Nikon Ftn's; yet >> credits >> the 400 mm 1:6.8 Telyt on his SL with giving him the 1968 political >> conventions "on a platter". Even at f/6.8, it was just fast enough, and >> just >> hand-holdable enough, to shoot at 1/125th wide-open under the TV lights. >> >> Here he is using the kit >> <http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/web/ddd/gallery/dddportraits/222.html> >> >> And here the photographs made with that kit: >> <http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/web/ddd/gallery/conventions/republican>> . >> html> >> <http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/web/ddd/gallery/conventions/democratic>> . >> html> >> >> If you click through the numerous historical portraits of DDD >> <http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/web/ddd/gallery/dddportraits/index.htm >> l> > >> you'll see he also "respected" Leica M's, Rollei's, Graflex's, and more. >> >> Perhaps you don't "respect" DDD's particular opinion on Leica reflex >> camera; >> or the opinions of thousands of other professionals around the world >> who've earned their livings and reputations >> while shooting with Leica reflex cameras and lenses. >> >> Yet, somehow, now, you're convinced that the Leica S2, >> only months out of the gate, with its limited lens range availability, >> is the greatest SLR in the world. >> >> Regards, >> George Lottermoser >> george at imagist.com >> http://www.imagist.com >> http://www.imagist.com/blog >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >> >> >> On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >> >>> Not the R system which didn't get >>> much respect. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information