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Subject: [Leica] Further Rumors on *that* New RF
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:58:10 -0700
References: <C7D79F23.605B9%mark@rabinergroup.com> <F5694015-DCA0-473B-87F9-6BCFD434A842@comcast.net> <EC093803-A43D-4A2A-B417-FA0CE8B89F96@frozenlight.eu> <5EC9B628-2079-4ED2-8F22-805C508BCBCE@comcast.net> <697A3A1A2B38456C9AD1C8FBDFB8B777@qck8vqhgou8blu> <781598F2-DC4B-48C2-94EF-2C0FCD16487E@comcast.net> <i2w19b6d42d1003301902kdfd118d3h66e3cc556d439bae@mail.gmail.com> <00ce01cad079$17760070$46620150$@net> <t2v19b6d42d1003301940w198f3fd1r197c05c59f3d2a84@mail.gmail.com>

I won a bet of a roll of Tri-X on this very same mailing list, but the loser
of the bet (lets call him... Bob, because, that's his name) never owned up.

The year was 2006, I think, after the Epson R-D1 came out, and he said that
Leica would have a full frame version out by Oct 2007 (I can't remember what
I ate this morning, but do remember crappy things like this without trying),
and I was generous enough to give him until the end of 2007. Of course,
there's no such thing.

Although I would have lost it BADLY if someone in July 2009 wanted to bet a
full frame Leica would be here before the end of the year..

Fortunately I am not a betting man in general. I never did learn to play
mah-jong, only one in the family not to do so...

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Vince Passaro <passaro.vince at 
gmail.com>wrote:

> Who's betting? i'm not betting. I just "bet", you know? As in, "I bet the
> final health care bill won't have a public option even now that
> legislatively they've figured out a way to pull it off...."
>
> My take on costs was entirely based on what I think CV perceives its
> marketing model to be: an area of some interest to me. In other words any
> interested company with sufficient upfront capital can make a knockoff M9
> and sell it for a little less. But CV perceives itself differently. My
> price
> guess was based entirely on my sense of that company's "branding"
> philosophy, which would make it highly unusual for them to issue a full
> frame digital camera that cost significantly more than any other on the
> market and right now that bar is set at $2000 with the Sony A850. the D700
> is down to $2400 and the new Canon 5D mark II is $2500.  My belief is --
> and
> guess what happens if I'm wrong? Nothing! -- that CV wouldn't do a FF
> digital camera, rangefinder or no, if they couldn't be very competitive
> with
> those prices.
>
> That's "why I "say this."
>
> If it's not full frame, then I picture them competing price-wise with the
> D300.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at earthlink.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Why do you say this?
> >
> > We, the assembled multitude, have NO idea the cost of components for
> > cameras.  For all we know, the correct choice of FF sensor may be less
> cost
> > than the 2/3 or 1/2 or whatever sensors we now have.....  If company XYZ
> > gets a hair in the wrong place, they will want to take market share, and
> do
> > it by cutting the cost to the camera makers.....
> >
> > Don't bet on anything WRT costs ......
> >
> > Frank Filippone
> > red735i at earthlink.net
> >
> >
> > The other possibility is that wit will not be full frame, which will
> bring
> > down the cost even further.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Leica Users Group.
> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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