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Subject: [Leica] EYE BLINK TIME?
From: ricc at embarqmail.com (Ric Carter)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:57:28 -0500
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yes, speed events are decided by advantage in the details. look at auto 
design in F1

still, the sensible foul moment is the firing of the gun, not .1 or .01 or 
.001  or .0125 seconds after firing the gun

if anticipation fouls are a problem, don't give second chances

occum's razor of rules--the easier it is to write and explain, the better 
the rule;^)

ric




On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:

> Ric I think it has evolved because people will test every possible option 
> to
> gain a tiny advantage, especially where the difference between winning and
> second place can be measured in hundredths of a second.
> Think about it. EVERYONE wants to anticipate the gun as well as possible 
> and
> be moving the first possible legal instant after the bang. There has to be 
> a
> line somewhere. As far as I know, the .10 second is set to be below any
> known recorded human response. You can't rewire your electrical impulses to
> move your body that fast! it is just physically impossible.
> Everyone anticipates and its a level playing field. Especially with
> sprinters at this level, very likely they all have superb reflexes and
> reaction times to go with those explosive fast twitch fibres all wired with
> adrenalin. ANYTHING for an edge. Ask a certain Canadian sprinter Ted knows
> well. Another athlete false starting also causes a restart which can
> disadvantage everyone too. Similar system happens in swimming of course. 
> Now
> the 10,000 and the marathon tend to make such things irrelevant!'
> Cheers
> Geoff (very ex-marathoner)
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> 
> 
> On 2 February 2010 02:57, Ric Carter <ricc at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> the more i think about this, the more asinine it is.
>> 
>> suppose an athlete (as is likely) has quicker reaction times than average
>> or thought possible?
>> 
>> It not far from denying Usain Bolt a gold medal because he ran the 100
>> meters faster than was possible for a human being.
>> 
>> ric
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Frank Dernie wrote:
>>> 
>>>> IIRC yes, in the Olympic Games there is a time after the gun goes off
>> which is considered to be less than human reaction time, so if anybody 
>> goes
>> during this period it is considered a false start.
>>>> 
>>>> !!!
>>> 
>>> amazing, documentaion of this fact/rule available?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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