Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/11/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote: > I think Geoff is suggesting Dante is having a bad day. I'd suggest > Dante is actually seeing very lucidly. > I agree. > > Marty > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> > wrote: > > I don't get this, Geoff. > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> Dante, when you started your day, you lost your car keys, someone stole > >> your > >> parking space, the cafe was out of your favourite muffins, your coffee > had > >> a > >> fly in it and your pet hamster has leprosy and an unplanned pregnancy or > >> something??? ;-) ;-) > >> Sheesh! > >> > >> > >> 2009/11/10 Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> > >> > >> > Mark, this is not about raw speed - though I know that makes for a > better > >> > straw-man. > >> > > >> > 1. David Keenan is dead-on correct about the M8/M9 architecture, > >> which > >> > has a long shutter lag (six times that of an M3 and double that of a > D3), > >> is > >> > slow to a second shot (should/when you need one), and can lock up > fairly > >> > easily taking repeated shots, even without mashing down the shutter > >> button > >> > on continuous. I have years of experience with this on the M8 and > agree > >> > with Keenan that unresponsiveness - particularly on a first shot - is > >> > inexcusable. This is even more the case where a camera allegedly is > >> > designed to capture some "decisive moment." > >> > > >> > 2. Two things that didn't get mentioned (and hopefully these have > >> not > >> > carried on to the M9) are (a) the tendency of the M8 to wildly > overexpose > >> if > >> > the shutter is pressed too quickly when the meter is "waking up" - > >> > apparently a bad habit carried over with the M7 meter - and (b) the > >> tendency > >> > not to fire the flash at all if the shutter is tripped too quickly > after > >> the > >> > shutter is first pressed. Then go to #1 above for the slow recovery > from > >> > the resulting missed shot. > >> > > >> > If the M9 is in any way worse than an M8 in responsiveness, it's a > fail. > >> I > >> > don't believe that a camera should have any ability to second-guess, > ask > >> for > >> > a "do-over," or be asleep on the job when I need it. > >> > > >> > The decision when and if to take a picture is not an exercise for a > >> > committee. > >> > > >> > Unless that committee is a committee of one. > >> > > >> > Me. > >> > > >> > Dante > >> > > >> > ____________ > >> > Dante Stella > >> > http://www.dantestella.com > >> > > >> > NO ARCHIVE > >> > > >> > On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:06 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > >> > > >> > We'll see if anyone else in the world especially a reviewer especially > a > >> >> real reviewer thinks there's a speed issue with the camera. As in > the > >> >> camrea shoots too slow. Which he goes on and on about. > >> >> > >> >> I wasn't too offended till I got half way down the page and hit the > >> >> " The Major Flaw of the M9" > >> >> > >> >> He's holding the shutter button down until the thing slow up and > stops > >> >> shooting at 2 frames per second and that takes seven or eight > >> exposures. > >> >> " Inexcusable" he says > >> >> !?!?! > >> >> > >> >> And he insists on shooting "compressed RAW + fine JPG" . > >> >> Gotta have both. > >> >> It's gotta be compressed > >> >> And he's gotta go on and on about it. > >> >> > >> >> The last time I held the shutter button down like that on even a DSLR > >> was > >> >> never. > >> >> And I've shot skate boarders. > >> >> > >> >> But not Golf swing studies. > >> >> > >> >> There's a difference between camera bloggers and cameras reviewers. > >> >> And I'd think the digitaljournalist people would know that. > >> >> . > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Mark William Rabiner > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Leica Users Group. > >> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Leica Users Group. > >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cheers > >> Geoff > >> The new LEICA M9 > >> Passion for perfect pictures. > >> http://www.m.leica-camera.com > >> > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ > >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Sonny > > http://www.sonc.com > > http://sonc.stumbleupon.com/ > > Natchitoches, Louisiana > > (+31.754164,-093.099080) > > > > USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Regards, Sonny http://www.sonc.com http://sonc.stumbleupon.com/ Natchitoches, Louisiana (+31.754164,-093.099080) USA