Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/07/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Still not bad the Bughatti is quite a bit faster then a F1 car.0.02 simon On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Jim Hemenway <Jim op hemenway.com> wrote: > Frank: > > I had a hard time affording it too. Had to have an extra job just to make > payments. > > Even though the car was only three years old, the price was much lower than > it otherwise should have been. > > It had some water damage because it had been left outside with the top down > for a long time. In addition, the blue paint had worn/faded away very > quickly, leaving bare aluminum in many places. > > Still, it was a lot of fun for a young man. > > Jim > > > Frank Dernie wrote: > >> Fun car! I couldn't afford a sortscar until I was in my 40s but have had 3 >> since. >> The problem with Whitworth (and BA) threads was the standardisation >> maniacs. We ended up with Unified (inch sizes) and Iso metric, neither of >> which are as technically sound as Whitworth BA and BSF in threadform or >> suitableness but appealed to the neat minded regulators with 60 deg >> threads >> and nice integer thread per inch rules. Then there were a whole bunch of >> parts which people often did not have the correct taps, dies and spanners >> for. >> As an engineer who had to re-engineer bolted junctions to use unified >> threads i can attest that direct replacement resulted in a inferior joint, >> and redesign resulted in heavier bulkier solutions. >> Frank >> >> On 13 Jul, 2009, at 04:36, Jim Hemenway wrote: >> >> Not a Jensen Healey, but here's Barbara, my 1956 Austin Healey and me in >>> 1959. >>> >>> A lot of fun but what a pain in the neck to fix... damn Strombergs and >>> even more damned Whitworth threads! >>> >>> http://www.hemenway.com/AustinHealey.jpg >>> >>> Jim, "I haven't looked like that for such a long time." Hemenway >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert Clark wrote: >>> >>>> I used to drive my uncle's 1974 Jensen Healey...with the Lotus engine, a >>>> Vauxhaul gearbox (I believe), along with two Stromberg carbs...like a >>>> little >>>> rocket and I always loved it. Was my intro to what a sports car was and >>>> I've >>>> never gotten over it! Being 17, driving that with the cute girl down the >>>> road, and feeling the acceleration of the car was magical! >>>> Robert Clark >>>> Lancaster, PA >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Dernie" < >>>> Frank.Dernie op btinternet.com> >>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug op leica-users.org> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:38 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] speaking of cars violently OT >>>> >>>>> Try an Elise. >>>>> Frank >>>>> >>>>> On 11 Jul, 2009, at 06:06, Adam Bridge wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I had a Lotus S2 - two 2-barrel Webers. It was a RIP to drive but >>>>>> needed >>>>>> lots of TLC as cars of that era did. >>>>>> I loved the close-ratio gearbox and how it would leap ahead with the >>>>>> slightest urging. Stopped darn well too! >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course it would never pass today's crash tests but I'd love a >>>>>> modern >>>>>> Lotus roadster to be a retake on the Elan. The top can leak, that's >>>>>> okay! >>>>>> >>>>>> Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Frank Dernie >>>>>> <Frank.Dernie op btinternet.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The Elan S4 was a favourite of mine. It had Stromberg carbs which >>>>>>> gave more >>>>>>> power and broader torque band than the more fashionable Webers, and >>>>>>> better >>>>>>> fuel consumption. It was surprisingly roomy for such a tiny light >>>>>>> car. >>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11 Jul, 2009, at 00:42, Jerry Lehrer wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dennis und Frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The original Europa mit Renault engine was a dog! But the original >>>>>>>> Elite, if it had modern brakes would really be >>>>>>>> a windy road car. The Elan S2 when de-bugged is a superb handling >>>>>>>> car. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I've used them all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jerry Lehrer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dennis wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Frank, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wondered your thoughts on Lotus' road cars. I had a Europa >>>>>>>>> Special and >>>>>>>>> it is a marvel. Very light, incredible suspension, and so >>>>>>>>> responsive. I >>>>>>>>> thought Colin Chapman brilliant and was stunned at his premature >>>>>>>>> passing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I could never afford one of todays 'supercars' but if I could I >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> likely own a Lotus and use some of that "leftover" money for a >>>>>>>>> worthy cause. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree the Veyron is an ugly piece ;-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But, Lotus aside, what do you make of the Ariel Atom? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dennis >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Frank Dernie wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pagani Zonda. >>>>>>>>>> For "frequent" use Ferrari 599. >>>>>>>>>> For daily use Porsche 911 turbo. >>>>>>>>>> For pure driving Lotus anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are lots of cars about which have fancy styling and are "2 >>>>>>>>>> seat >>>>>>>>>> limos" with loads of kit, weight and electronic driving aids to >>>>>>>>>> make them >>>>>>>>>> easy to drive for less good drivers. >>>>>>>>>> These are great pose-mobiles and practical for a rich person of >>>>>>>>>> limited >>>>>>>>>> talent to show-off in. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I may have left some out, I am neither wealthy enough nor >>>>>>>>>> interested >>>>>>>>>> enough to study in detail. Weight is the most important chassis >>>>>>>>>> parameter >>>>>>>>>> for performance. Road cars are to a great extent a fashion item >>>>>>>>>> and image >>>>>>>>>> statement. Published stuff tends to be acceleration and top >>>>>>>>>> speed. It is >>>>>>>>>> possible to get impressive figures for these without much chassis >>>>>>>>>> sophistication at all. Since weight is currently not something >>>>>>>>>> fashionable >>>>>>>>>> to minimise "supercars" are now as heavy as trucks, hence no >>>>>>>>>> longer >>>>>>>>>> supercars IMO. This Bugatti thing weighs the same as 2 Ford GT40s! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To put perspective on this, +10kg on a F1 car loses over 0.3 secs >>>>>>>>>> per >>>>>>>>>> lap. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >