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Subject: [Leica] speaking of cars violently OT
From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:06:43 -0700
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I had a Lotus S2 - two 2-barrel Webers. It was a RIP to drive but needed
lots of TLC as cars of that era did.
I loved the close-ratio gearbox and how it would leap ahead with the
slightest urging. Stopped darn well too!

Of course it would never pass today's crash tests but I'd love a modern
Lotus roadster to be a retake on the Elan. The top can leak, that's okay!

Adam

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Frank Dernie
<Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com>wrote:

> The Elan S4 was a favourite of mine. It had Stromberg carbs which gave more
> power and broader torque band than the more fashionable Webers, and better
> fuel consumption. It was surprisingly roomy for such a tiny light car.
> Frank
>
>
> On 11 Jul, 2009, at 00:42, Jerry Lehrer wrote:
>
>  Dennis und Frank
>>
>> The original Europa mit Renault engine was a dog!   But the original
>> Elite, if it had modern brakes would really be
>> a windy road car.  The Elan S2 when de-bugged is a superb handling car.
>>
>> Yes, I've used them all
>>
>> Jerry Lehrer
>>
>>
>> Dennis wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Frank,
>>>
>>> I wondered your thoughts on Lotus' road cars. I  had a Europa Special and
>>> it is a marvel. Very light, incredible suspension, and so responsive. I
>>> thought Colin Chapman brilliant and was stunned at his premature passing.
>>>
>>> I could never afford one of todays 'supercars' but if I could I would
>>> likely own a Lotus and use some of that "leftover" money for a worthy 
>>> cause.
>>>
>>> I agree the Veyron is an ugly piece ;-)
>>>
>>> But, Lotus aside, what do  you make of the Ariel Atom?
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank Dernie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pagani Zonda.
>>>> For "frequent" use Ferrari 599.
>>>> For daily use Porsche 911 turbo.
>>>> For pure driving Lotus anything.
>>>>
>>>> There are lots of cars about which have fancy styling and are "2 seat
>>>> limos" with loads of kit, weight and electronic driving aids to make 
>>>> them
>>>> easy to drive for less good drivers.
>>>> These are great pose-mobiles and practical for a rich person of limited
>>>> talent to show-off in.
>>>>
>>>> I may have left some out, I am neither wealthy enough nor interested
>>>> enough to study in detail. Weight is the most important chassis 
>>>> parameter
>>>> for performance. Road cars are to a great extent a fashion item and 
>>>> image
>>>> statement. Published stuff tends to be acceleration and top speed. It is
>>>> possible to get impressive figures for these without much chassis
>>>> sophistication at all. Since weight is currently not something 
>>>> fashionable
>>>> to minimise "supercars" are now as heavy as trucks, hence no longer
>>>> supercars IMO. This Bugatti thing weighs the same as 2 Ford GT40s!
>>>>
>>>> To put perspective on this, +10kg on a F1 car loses over 0.3 secs per
>>>> lap.
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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