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Subject: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron - now LHSA 'Viewfinder' magazine
From: s.dimitrov at charter.net (Slobodan Dimitrov)
Date: Sun Jan 18 08:11:45 2009
References: <20090117005558.PDMF18445.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net><50574752-F044-4C51-8968-0897EA414D3D@usjet.net><8979E64B1EDA477ABC75864ED34F5487@D1S9FY41><C029DA3B-B043-4E22-A229-7AE02D20C699@usjet.net><D64F863506B54290A141DFAFCDDBF6C1@D1S9FY41><167579D7-2CC5-4041-95CA-12272DC465C6@usjet.net><8DBC9D91FE9E47D7AAF8F8956014C5D8@D1S9FY41><625CEE04-9886-4546-A2D3-5F377976EC01@usjet.net><CC28F634F2884798B2D730292619B0B5@D1S9FY41><B36BFE01-2F4F-44DE-9A2B-4AE49D1A51A6@usjet.net><B94C48D6CA334B7CB89F7BB096315EB3@D1S9FY41><808811CE-A39D-468A-BCDF-23150A56ADC2@cox.net><68FBA6FA1DA54C0AAFE23483D9D5044C@D1S9FY41> <E8B4A7F4-724B-4565-849C-002A782EC138@charter.net> <42ECBA3D2AEB4C8681EA8EE85164F956@D1S9FY41>

That alone is worth the price of admission.
The first hand typed issues are such a great historical curio.
The going over the latter issues, with it digital material, It's like  
seeing one's grandparents going from the horse-cart to the satellite,  
and walk-on-the-moon age.
sd

On Jan 18, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Seth Rosner wrote:

> Thanks for mentioning that Slobodan. One of the LHSA  
> accomplishments with which I'm happiest is the creation of the  
> Viewfinder disc; it was my first recommendation to the Board after  
> becoming president. Another LHSA member benefit: in addition to the  
> disc, all Viewfinder issues published since the creation of the  
> disc can be accessed electronically by LHSA members on the LHSA  
> website. It really is a quite fantastic resource of Leitz/Leica  
> history, product information, images by members and others, going  
> back 40 + years.
>
> Seth
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slobodan Dimitrov"  
> <s.dimitrov@charter.net>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
>
>
>> And joining the LHSA will get you a CD of all the past issues, minus
>> the very last ones. But I'm sure an appendix will be on its way
>> eventually.
>> sd
>>
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>
>>> Actually Steve, I've never used the pre-ASPH Summicron but have
>>> heard the same things you have. The 35mm that I use is the 35/2,8
>>> Summaron that we tested vs. the pre-ASPH and the 8-element
>>> Summicrons on the Optikos Corporation MTF optical test bench; see
>>> the article in LHSA Viewfinder magazine, Vol 37 No 4 (4th qtr 04).
>>> Showed pretty clearly that if you don't need the added stop of
>>> speed, the Summaron was the choice.
>>>
>>> I'd attach a copy of the manuscript but I think Brian's software
>>> strips away attachments
>>>
>>> Seth
>>>
>>> Seth
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barbour"  
>>> <kididdoc@cox.net>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:57 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 18, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All different optical designs. All are Gauss derivatives. #1 is
>>>>> an 8-
>>>>> element, #2 and 3 are 6-element with slight differences (in #2 the
>>>>> second and third elements are cemented together whereas in #3 they
>>>>> are separated by air, sometimes called an "air lens" for the
>>>>> different refracting effect of air vis-a-vis glass,  and #4,
>>>>> frequently referred to as the "pre-aspheric", is 7-element with
>>>>> elements 2 & 3 and elements 6 & 7 cemented together.
>>>>
>>>> some love especially  #4, calling it the bokeh king.
>>>>
>>>> I love that lens... what are your thoughts Seth?
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you're really interested in this stuff, Erwin Puts' book,  
>>>>> "Leica
>>>>> Lens Compendium" is an excellent resource, though in it Erwin
>>>>> occasionally expresses opinions with which I have disagreed
>>>>> publicly. Seth
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier"
>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net
>>>>> >
>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> They both have the full ring, serrated over about 270 degrees of
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> the aperture numbers the rest of the way.   So, they are BOTH
>>>>>> version
>>>>>> 3 -- that is surprising, good news.   But all four versions  
>>>>>> are the
>>>>>> same optically, aren't  they?    Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob, I've just taken a look at Erwin Puts' book and see that he
>>>>>>> puts the intro of version 3 in 1971 that would make both of your
>>>>>>> lenses version 3's. One other way to determine to which group  
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> earlier lens belongs is ask if the diaphragm is controlled by a
>>>>>>> small tab that protrudes from the lens mount or by a more  
>>>>>>> typical
>>>>>>> ring. If the former, it is version 2, if the latter, they're  
>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>> version 3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier"
>>>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:12 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My other Summicron 35 is 2619853, which the list puts as only a
>>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>> newer (thanks Arche), but this one is mint.   I thought the  
>>>>>>>> newer
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> is version 3, but now I'm not sure.
>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Same series (version), Bob?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier"
>>>>>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seth,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's a very impressive story, both about how well built a
>>>>>>>>>> Leica
>>>>>>>>>> lens is, and how good the Leica New Jersey service is/ 
>>>>>>>>>> was.   I
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> reconsider selling this lens, except I have another one  
>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>> newer
>>>>>>>>>> and is even nicer!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bob, the lists I have show that your 35/2 Summicron is  
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> 1972
>>>>>>>>>>> production that commenced at #2503101 through 2556500. I
>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>> that Steve's serial numbers refer only to cameras. I bought
>>>>>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>>>>>> these lenses shortly after their introduction in 1969 or 70.
>>>>>>>>>>> Was in
>>>>>>>>>>> my kit for a four-week visit to South and East Africa = 700+
>>>>>>>>>>> Kodachromes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One afternoon in our hotel room in Nairobi after returning
>>>>>>>>>>> from an
>>>>>>>>>>> 8-day tour of the Serengeti, I put down my M4 w/ 35/2
>>>>>>>>>>> Summicron
>>>>>>>>>>> attached to answer the phone. I had forgotten to twist the
>>>>>>>>>>> lens to
>>>>>>>>>>> full lock. When I picked it up, the lens plunged onto a tile
>>>>>>>>>>> floor,
>>>>>>>>>>> bending the rear flange. I literally burst into sweat,  
>>>>>>>>>>> told my
>>>>>>>>>>> wife
>>>>>>>>>>> that I had to go for a short walk to calm down. Returned to
>>>>>>>>>>> hotel
>>>>>>>>>>> room, looked once again at bent flange, shook lens
>>>>>>>>>>> vigorously to
>>>>>>>>>>> ascertain if there were loose glass elements, diaphragm  
>>>>>>>>>>> blades
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> other un-Leica-like anomalies,  etc, tried it on the M4 to
>>>>>>>>>>> which it
>>>>>>>>>>> seemd to mate as usual. Had no back-up 35mm so used it  
>>>>>>>>>>> balance
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the trip. On return to NYC, I called Vince Fochtman, the  
>>>>>>>>>>> lens
>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>> at Leitz/Rockleigh whom I knew pretty well, told him the  
>>>>>>>>>>> story
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> said I was sending him the lens; if there was damage to the
>>>>>>>>>>> glass
>>>>>>>>>>> or mechanicals that could not be made perfect,  please just
>>>>>>>>>>> return
>>>>>>>>>>> the lens with a bill and I would sell it and find another;
>>>>>>>>>>> if it
>>>>>>>>>>> could be made optically and mechanically flawless despite
>>>>>>>>>>> cosmetic
>>>>>>>>>>> flaws, please repair the lens. A week passed, my lens  
>>>>>>>>>>> returned
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> a Leitz invoice that had no charge. I called Vince and
>>>>>>>>>>> inquired. He
>>>>>>>>>>> said the lens was fine, glass clean, clear, not decentered a
>>>>>>>>>>> micron, just as good as it had come from Wetzlar; he had  
>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>> very gently and little by little to bend the bent- out-of-
>>>>>>>>>>> shape
>>>>>>>>>>> flange into perfect alignment, didn't need any parts, so no
>>>>>>>>>>> charge!
>>>>>>>>>>> Talk about robust fortress-like construction! I would  
>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>> that current production is just as strong. Who knows?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy your Summicron!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Seth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Seth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier"
>>>>>>>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:19 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Seth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that confirmation.   Where can I go to check the
>>>>>>>>>>>> serial
>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers of lenses?   All I know about is Stephen Gandy's
>>>>>>>>>>>> lists of
>>>>>>>>>>>> body serial numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is indeed the second version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a 35mm Summicron, pre-aspheric, that shows wear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> barrel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (no dents or dings) and has mint glass.  With both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caps.   I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is 2nd version, but I'm not sure.   The serial number is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2541855,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $750
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Replies: Reply from sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron - now LHSA 'Viewfinder' magazine)
In reply to: Message from kcarney1 at cox.net (Ken Carney) ([Leica] more audiophilia)
Message from robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from s.dimitrov at charter.net (Slobodan Dimitrov) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron)
Message from sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner) ([Leica] FS 35mm Summicron - now LHSA 'Viewfinder' magazine)