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Subject: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
From: luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll)
Date: Wed May 9 11:37:29 2007
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Hi Walt,

Yes, ID11 is the same formula as D-76, my preference for the Ilford was
because it was a very useful graphic Time/Temperatures, and with D-76 I was
not sure. 

Really,do you not do more wet prints and you prefer the inkjet?, IMO I like
better the real B&W tones of the wet prints. Is a good idea use distilled
water, do you use it also on the stop bath and on the fixer, or only with
the developer?

I never tried V-35, I think will be a lovely tool. 

Spanish beers are quite good too!

Saludos cordiales
Luis

-----Mensaje original-----
De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre de
Walt Johnson
Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 09 de mayo de 2007 2:54
Para: Leica Users Group
Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan

Luis

I think ID11 is the same as D-76. I would like to do my own color but have
no  place for processing. The local labs make a habit of damaging the film.
Up  until a few years back my space bedroom was a pretty good  lab. When I
started comparing my darkroom prints with my ink jet prints that was it. No
more wet prints, only wet film. I do use distilled water for development of
the film. After that, just plain tap water. Favorite paper, Ilford
Multigrade. Favorite film, Tri-X or HP-5. 
Favorite Enlarger, Focomat V35. Favorite beer, Corona. :-)

Walt

Luis Ripoll wrote:
> Hi Walt,
>
> I have developped my films and enlarged my pictures up to the year 
> 2000 (more or less), I've do a lot and I know the process. I agree 
> with you that it's a really passionating work. I've processed last 
> year a few films again, but I saw that the quality of the water has 
> been changed a lot, films result spotting and dirty, to do it properly 
> I should have a filtering system etc..., on the other hand I don't 
> have many time to be on the darkroom as I was some years ago, I always 
> keep my Focomat IC with a Focotar, and I never used multi-contrast
papers...
>
> When I was developping myself, my preferred developper was ID11, and 
> Dektol for the positives, my preferences on paper was Ilford Gallery.
>
> I hope come back to the darkroom ...
>
> Saludos desde Barcelona
> Luis
>
>  
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En 
> nombre de Walt Johnson Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 09 de mayo de 2007 0:42
> Para: Leica Users Group
> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>
> Luis
>
> Why don't you give processing your own film a try? It is relatively 
> easy and provides a real connection with what you've photographed. I'm 
> sure your lab does a fine job, especially with the look of your images.
> Still, a mental consistency from start to finish can be a definite plus..
>
> Luis Ripoll wrote:
>   
>> That's worlwide accepted, obviously at this step that's not the 
>> question for me. The development of my films is by a professional Lab 
>> I'm very satisfied, maybe the exposure of the showed shot was not the 
>> idoneous, but at least on my experience after photographing up when I 
>> was 13 I only have obtained this kind of results very few times when 
>> I've used old lenses, and I insist on my opinion that this will be 
>> not the result with i.e. my Summicron #11819, I'm sure that editing 
>> could be improved, or should be. The new Elmar-M is a nice lens, I 
>> enjoy it, but IMO on these extremely backlighting conditions shows a weak
point.
>> Saludos,
>> Luis   
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En 
>> nombre de Slobodan Dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>> 23:21
>> Para: Leica Users Group
>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>>
>> It's a way to figure out the optimal parameter between exposure and 
>> development.
>> While originally intended for 4x5, it can be adapted for 120 and 35mm.
>> I looked for it on the net, and came up blank. I did find the Fred 
>> Picker material, but that doesn't address roll film.
>> This was a staple of photo 100 classes. Unfortunately processing is 
>> rarely thought at schools these days.
>> One has to know the materials. If not, then that gap in one's 
>> knowledge is a limitation that becomes the plateau of one's capabilities.
>>
>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 8, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>
>>> What do you mind for a "9 negative test"?
>>>
>>> Saludos cordiales
>>> Luis
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En 
>>> nombre de slobodan dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>>> 3:37
>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>>>
>>> Actually, it's not the lens performance that is in question so much 
>>> as the performance of the photographer.
>>> The issue in this image is that of exposure and processing.
>>> Luis, tell me, have you ever done a 9 negative test?
>>>
>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>>
>>>> Not at all, exceot if you want... it will be welcome as always, my 
>>>> own critique is on the lens performance, I don't like very much 
>>>> this picture, IMO the results of this strong backlight situation 
>>>> reminds me the results I had with other older lenses, i.e. I think 
>>>> that actual Summicron will performs better on such situation.
>>>>
>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>> Luis
>>>>
>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En 
>>>> nombre de Slobodan Dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>>>> 0:33
>>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To 
>>>> Slobodan
>>>>
>>>> Are you asking for a critique?
>>>>
>>>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 7, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a hard work editing this picture with the new Elmar-M, of 
>>>>> course it is a very strong light situation, and I'm sure that it 
>>>>> would be very difficult to manage with any other lens, but on a 
>>>>> such crazy test...
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3023665
>>>>>
>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>> Luis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En 
>>>>> nombre de slobodan dimitrov Enviado el: domingo, 06 de mayo de 
>>>>> 2007
>>>>> 23:44
>>>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 
>>>>> Summaron
>>>>> - NowSummitar
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a LTM Summitar from the early 1950's. While of a slightly 
>>>>> lower contrast, what it gains in flare makes it virtually useless 
>>>>> near the ocean.
>>>>> out here.
>>>>> Now the new Elmar-M, that's a different story. Less prone to 
>>>>> flare, if at all, and smooth consistent luminosity under the worst 
>>>>> possible light condition.
>>>>>
>>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I mean pancake flat, like an Elmar. Daniel want to put it in his 
>>>>>> trouser pocket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But now that you mention it, last week a guest speaker at the 
>>>>>> LHSA spring shoot mentioned some excellent low contrast Leica 
>>>>>> lenses, but I failed to write it down. Like you, I get terrible 
>>>>>> contrast problems in the subtropical sun down here. The lens he 
>>>>>> mentioned was probably single-coated, post-WWII.
>>>>>> It wasn't the Summarit or the Summaron (I have both of those). My 
>>>>>> recollection (fuzzy) was that it was a Summitar. Anyone out there 
>>>>>> use one of those these days?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>>>>>> Of slobodan dimitrov
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:07 PM
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 
>>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my lighting environment, the harbors of LA and LB, their 
>>>>>> contrast suits me just fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Yeah, I started one re: people's thoughts on 35mm LTM lenses, 
>>>>>>> but I didn't care if they were FLAT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>>>>>>> Of Daniel Ridings
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:16 AM
>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 
>>>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> Is it my brain or did we have a 35mm LTM thread last week or 
>>>>>>>> the week before Remember how I mentioned my Summaron? Others 
>>>>>>>> mentioned others?
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>> I am sorry to have missed it. I have had to pass over hundreds, 
>>>>>>> if not a couple thousand, postings lately. I just haven't been 
>>>>>>> able to keep up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the tip. I'll check out the archives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>
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Replies: Reply from walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
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