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Subject: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
From: luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll)
Date: Tue May 8 15:27:10 2007
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That's worlwide accepted, obviously at this step that's not the question for
me. The development of my films is by a professional Lab I'm very satisfied,
maybe the exposure of the showed shot was not the idoneous, but at least on
my experience after photographing up when I was 13 I only have obtained this
kind of results very few times when I've used old lenses, and I insist on my
opinion that this will be not the result with i.e. my Summicron #11819, I'm
sure that editing could be improved, or should be. The new Elmar-M is a nice
lens, I enjoy it, but IMO on these extremely backlighting conditions shows a
weak point.
Saludos,
Luis   

-----Mensaje original-----
De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre de
Slobodan Dimitrov
Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007 23:21
Para: Leica Users Group
Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan

It's a way to figure out the optimal parameter between exposure and
development.
While originally intended for 4x5, it can be adapted for 120 and 35mm.
I looked for it on the net, and came up blank. I did find the Fred Picker
material, but that doesn't address roll film.
This was a staple of photo 100 classes. Unfortunately processing is rarely
thought at schools these days.
One has to know the materials. If not, then that gap in one's knowledge is a
limitation that becomes the plateau of one's capabilities.

Slobodan Dimitrov




On May 8, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Luis Ripoll wrote:

> Hi Slobodan,
>
> What do you mind for a "9 negative test"?
>
> Saludos cordiales
> Luis
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En 
> nombre de slobodan dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007 
> 3:37
> Para: Leica Users Group
> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>
> Actually, it's not the lens performance that is in question so much as 
> the performance of the photographer.
> The issue in this image is that of exposure and processing.
> Luis, tell me, have you ever done a 9 negative test?
>
> S. Dimitrov
>
>
> On May 7, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>
>> Hi Slobodan,
>>
>> Not at all, exceot if you want... it will be welcome as always, my 
>> own critique is on the lens performance, I don't like very much this 
>> picture, IMO the results of this strong backlight situation reminds 
>> me the results I had with other older lenses, i.e. I think that 
>> actual Summicron will performs better on such situation.
>>
>> Saludos cordiales
>> Luis
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En 
>> nombre de Slobodan Dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>> 0:33
>> Para: Leica Users Group
>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>>
>> Are you asking for a critique?
>>
>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 7, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>
>>> I had a hard work editing this picture with the new Elmar-M, of 
>>> course it is a very strong light situation, and I'm sure that it 
>>> would be very difficult to manage with any other lens, but on a such 
>>> crazy test...
>>>
>>>  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3023665
>>>
>>> Saludos cordiales
>>> Luis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En 
>>> nombre de slobodan dimitrov Enviado el: domingo, 06 de mayo de 2007
>>> 23:44
>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 
>>> Summaron
>>> - NowSummitar
>>>
>>> I have a LTM Summitar from the early 1950's. While of a slightly 
>>> lower contrast, what it gains in flare makes it virtually useless 
>>> near the ocean.
>>> out here.
>>> Now the new Elmar-M, that's a different story. Less prone to flare, 
>>> if at all, and smooth consistent luminosity under the worst possible 
>>> light condition.
>>>
>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 6, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> I mean pancake flat, like an Elmar. Daniel want to put it in his 
>>>> trouser pocket.
>>>>
>>>> But now that you mention it, last week a guest speaker at the LHSA 
>>>> spring shoot mentioned some excellent low contrast Leica lenses, 
>>>> but I failed to write it down. Like you, I get terrible contrast 
>>>> problems in the subtropical sun down here. The lens he mentioned 
>>>> was probably single-coated, post-WWII.
>>>> It wasn't the Summarit or the Summaron (I have both of those). My 
>>>> recollection (fuzzy) was that it was a Summitar. Anyone out there 
>>>> use one of those these days?
>>>>
>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> slobodan dimitrov
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:07 PM
>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 
>>>> Summaron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my lighting environment, the harbors of LA and LB, their 
>>>> contrast suits me just fine.
>>>>
>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I started one re: people's thoughts on 35mm LTM lenses, but 
>>>>> I didn't care if they were FLAT.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>>>>> Of Daniel Ridings
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:16 AM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5 
>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it my brain or did we have a 35mm LTM thread last week or the
>>>>>> week before Remember how I mentioned my Summaron? Others  
>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>> others?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry to have missed it. I have had to pass over hundreds, if
>>>>> not a couple thousand, postings lately. I just haven't been  
>>>>> able to
>>>>> keep up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the tip. I'll check out the archives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
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Replies: Reply from s.dimitrov at charter.net (Slobodan Dimitrov) ([Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan)
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