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Subject: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Tue May 8 22:46:39 2007

Is this the digest? :)


On 5/8/07 8:54 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> typed:

> Luis
> 
> I think ID11 is the same as D-76. I would like to do my own color but
> have no  place for processing. The local labs make a habit of damaging
> the film.  Up  until a few years back my space bedroom was a pretty
> good  lab. When I started comparing my darkroom prints with my ink jet
> prints that was it. No more wet prints, only wet film. I do use
> distilled water for development of the film. After that, just plain tap
> water. Favorite paper, Ilford Multigrade. Favorite film, Tri-X or HP-5.
> Favorite Enlarger, Focomat V35. Favorite beer, Corona. :-)
> 
> Walt
> 
> Luis Ripoll wrote:
>> Hi Walt,
>> 
>> I have developped my films and enlarged my pictures up to the year 2000
>> (more or less), I've do a lot and I know the process. I agree with you 
>> that
>> it's a really passionating work. I've processed last year a few films 
>> again,
>> but I saw that the quality of the water has been changed a lot, films 
>> result
>> spotting and dirty, to do it properly I should have a filtering system
>> etc..., on the other hand I don't have many time to be on the darkroom as 
>> I
>> was some years ago, I always keep my Focomat IC with a Focotar, and I 
>> never
>> used multi-contrast papers...
>> 
>> When I was developping myself, my preferred developper was ID11, and 
>> Dektol
>> for the positives, my preferences on paper was Ilford Gallery.
>> 
>> I hope come back to the darkroom ...
>> 
>> Saludos desde Barcelona
>> Luis
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre 
>> de
>> Walt Johnson
>> Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 09 de mayo de 2007 0:42
>> Para: Leica Users Group
>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>> 
>> Luis
>> 
>> Why don't you give processing your own film a try? It is relatively easy
>> and provides a real connection with what you've photographed. I'm sure 
>> your
>> lab does a fine job, especially with the look of your images.
>> Still, a mental consistency from start to finish can be a definite plus..
>> 
>> Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>   
>>> That's worlwide accepted, obviously at this step that's not the
>>> question for me. The development of my films is by a professional Lab
>>> I'm very satisfied, maybe the exposure of the showed shot was not the
>>> idoneous, but at least on my experience after photographing up when I
>>> was 13 I only have obtained this kind of results very few times when
>>> I've used old lenses, and I insist on my opinion that this will be not
>>> the result with i.e. my Summicron #11819, I'm sure that editing could
>>> be improved, or should be. The new Elmar-M is a nice lens, I enjoy it,
>>> but IMO on these extremely backlighting conditions shows a weak point.
>>> Saludos,
>>> Luis   
>>> 
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>> nombre de Slobodan Dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>>> 23:21
>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>>> 
>>> It's a way to figure out the optimal parameter between exposure and
>>> development.
>>> While originally intended for 4x5, it can be adapted for 120 and 35mm.
>>> I looked for it on the net, and came up blank. I did find the Fred
>>> Picker material, but that doesn't address roll film.
>>> This was a staple of photo 100 classes. Unfortunately processing is
>>> rarely thought at schools these days.
>>> One has to know the materials. If not, then that gap in one's
>>> knowledge is a limitation that becomes the plateau of one's capabilities.
>>> 
>>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 8, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
>>>     
>>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>> 
>>>> What do you mind for a "9 negative test"?
>>>> 
>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>> Luis
>>>> 
>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>>> nombre de slobodan dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>>>> 3:37
>>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, it's not the lens performance that is in question so much
>>>> as the performance of the photographer.
>>>> The issue in this image is that of exposure and processing.
>>>> Luis, tell me, have you ever done a 9 negative test?
>>>> 
>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not at all, exceot if you want... it will be welcome as always, my
>>>>> own critique is on the lens performance, I don't like very much this
>>>>> picture, IMO the results of this strong backlight situation reminds
>>>>> me the results I had with other older lenses, i.e. I think that
>>>>> actual Summicron will performs better on such situation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>> Luis
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>>>> nombre de Slobodan Dimitrov Enviado el: martes, 08 de mayo de 2007
>>>>> 0:33
>>>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and... To Slobodan
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you asking for a critique?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 7, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had a hard work editing this picture with the new Elmar-M, of
>>>>>> course it is a very strong light situation, and I'm sure that it
>>>>>> would be very difficult to manage with any other lens, but on a
>>>>>> such crazy test...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3023665
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>>> Luis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>>>>> nombre de slobodan dimitrov Enviado el: domingo, 06 de mayo de 2007
>>>>>> 23:44
>>>>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5
>>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>> - NowSummitar
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a LTM Summitar from the early 1950's. While of a slightly
>>>>>> lower contrast, what it gains in flare makes it virtually useless
>>>>>> near the ocean.
>>>>>> out here.
>>>>>> Now the new Elmar-M, that's a different story. Less prone to flare,
>>>>>> if at all, and smooth consistent luminosity under the worst
>>>>>> possible light condition.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>> I mean pancake flat, like an Elmar. Daniel want to put it in his
>>>>>>> trouser pocket.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But now that you mention it, last week a guest speaker at the LHSA
>>>>>>> spring shoot mentioned some excellent low contrast Leica lenses,
>>>>>>> but I failed to write it down. Like you, I get terrible contrast
>>>>>>> problems in the subtropical sun down here. The lens he mentioned
>>>>>>> was probably single-coated, post-WWII.
>>>>>>> It wasn't the Summarit or the Summaron (I have both of those). My
>>>>>>> recollection (fuzzy) was that it was a Summitar. Anyone out there
>>>>>>> use one of those these days?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of slobodan dimitrov
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:07 PM
>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5
>>>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In my lighting environment, the harbors of LA and LB, their
>>>>>>> contrast suits me just fine.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> S. Dimitrov
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I started one re: people's thoughts on 35mm LTM lenses, but
>>>>>>>> I didn't care if they were FLAT.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jeffery Smith
>>>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>>>>> http://www.400tx.com
>>>>>>>> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Daniel Ridings
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:16 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Experiences with 35/3.5 Elmar and 35/3.5
>>>>>>>> Summaron
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>> Is it my brain or did we have a 35mm LTM thread last week or the
>>>>>>>>> week before Remember how I mentioned my Summaron? Others
>>>>>>>>> mentioned others?
>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>> I am sorry to have missed it. I have had to pass over hundreds,
>>>>>>>> if not a couple thousand, postings lately. I just haven't been
>>>>>>>> able to keep up.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the tip. I'll check out the archives.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>> 
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