Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2024/05/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Almost correct...... LR MUST HAVE the catalog NOT on any form of LAN.? OK on USB external drives or anywhere inside the computer case.? Your images on the LAN are OK....just not the catalog. The issue is keep the catalog from being mangled if two users are opening or rather, /*saving*/ to the catalog at the same time. ( Short version.? Long version is too long and not more interesting.) Your AT+T internet access is very fast.... Mine is limited ( choked down to ) 10-11 MBPS.? Not terribly useful for moving data between locations.? I keep my backup to everything in two locations, and would have liked to WAN the two together.? But one location that I have access to has a 10MBPS limit that I can not upgrade.? That limits the practical way to practically move 200GB files.? So I sneaker net them together using a home made SSD based 8TB Portable USB drive.? Not always in synch as I would prefer, but cheap. On Tina's box, the plan is to use simple wired LAN.? Single Computer is a few feet from NAS.? She is not currently using any LAN features... she WIFI's or USB's everything.?? Not a terribly weird nor rare setup for a home setup. Going USB and non-LAN ( gong USB connected HDD array)? would have saved her only $500.? Less than 25% of the total expenditure and had many many compromises. The Drobo boxes were the bees knees when they were introduced and mainly because they were USB connected to the computer.? Easier than the then current LAN installation.? But nowadays,, the advantage is mostly gone, there are big big HDD JBOD enclosures that can be purchased cheaper. LAN is still faster......then any USB solution, at least in theory. I will ask Tina if I can email the group with information on how the decisions were made to use this particular NAS as her solution.? That may help others in the future.... Bot not till after I get it all working.... We are currently at the stage that the NAS will be introduced to the computer for the first time.? LAN setup, initialization of the NAS, setting up folders, etc are the next stage.? It is the stage that requires the most focus for me. For those that have read this far and are really interested, everyone will tell you adding a NAS on a LAN is easy. NOPE!? It is a really pretty arduous task, unless you are an IT trained person.? There is an immense amount of nonsensical jargon.?? I am a EE, but my background is totally IC related,? No Software at all.? None of the computer stuff was there when I was in school.? It has taken me about 4 years to get this far, and on my systems, I now have about 90% of everything working really well, the other 10% was over expectation. Frank Filippone BMWRed735i at Gmail.com On 5/18/2024 7:38 AM, Adam Bridge via LUG wrote: > I have a memory that Lightroom doesn?t support NAS storage. I have no idea > why that might be the case but I have a vivid memory that it?s the case. > > After my Drobo started to go off about six years ago I replaced it with a > Promise Pegasus RAID that is still working quietly well. I?ve had to > replace one drive. > > Since then I have used an OWC 4 drive box and populated with 4 drives to > yield about 35 TB. I have a MacPro and have two internal very large single > disks that I use as a local backup to the RAIDs. All of these are > connected with Thunderbolt. And I have an OWC box with four very fast > SSDs. I use SoftRAID to manage the disk arrays. I?m very pleased with the > performance. I backup everything to the cloud using BackBlaze. I have 1Gig > AT&T fiber so it makes good sense to me. I?ve never had to replace a whole > drive using BackBlaze but it?s a terrific deal. And I backup my primary > drive to an external drive with TimeMachine. My catalogs for both Capture > One and Lightroom live on my Mac Pro?s internal SSD. I back those up > additionally to the SSD RAID. > > I?ll be interested to know how you?re connecting the NAS to Tina?s box. > > Drobo was a good idea but it just didn?t perform well. It did make > replacing drives incredibly easily when something went wrong. > > Adam Bridge > Davis, CA > >> On May 16, 2024, at 12:12?PM, Frank Filippone via LUG<lug at >> leica-users.org> wrote: >> >> >> Yes, I am helping Tina with her file system. She is replacing her Drobos >> with a Synology NAS. I "am" her tech support person. >> >> Why? Because Drobo is out of business. Who cares? SHE AND YOU SHOULD >> CARE! >> >> How old is your Drobo, in terms of development..... look at this chart.... >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drobo >> >> It tells you when your Drobo model was first introduced to the marjket... >> assume it took at least 1 year to design... Your Drobo was designed in >> roughly 2010., or even earlier That was the year Windows 7 was in >> vogue..... Windows 7. That was when the various software was written to >> run the box and interface with Windows. Windows 7, not Windows 11. >> Things have changed.... >> >> /If you have a Drobo, it will eventually fail/. Let me explain.... >> Windows is not a fixed immovable O/S. It changes ( somewhat at the whim >> of Microsoft.). >> >> Drobo Software ( yes, it does run on software) is not and will not change >> to accommodate Windows changes. The company no longer exists. The SW is >> frozen. ( probably some amateur code writer will fix this, but if you >> are not willing to take this chance on code written by some 16 year old >> who lives on Pizza and Energy-Caffeine drinks being responsible for >> taking care of everything on your Dobo, read further....).. >> >> An analogy is for SW written for Windows 3.1 and using that SW on Windows >> 11.... Some of it just will not work. >> >> Your computer gets Windows updates all the time, and implements them. >> sometime, either now or "tomorrow", some change in Windows will not allow >> your Drobo Software to perform as it did yesterday. YOU WILL HAVE NO >> WARNING>>>>. It will be a brick. It will not be reversible ( almost). >> EVERYTHING on your Drobo will be permanently inaccessible. >> >> No you can not just remove the HDD from the Drobo and put them into >> something else and they will work..... THEY WILL NOT. >> >> Your data may be safely ON the Drobo, but unless you can get to it, >> ....... and eventually you will not be able to,,,,,, you own a brick. >> >> It is time NOW to fix this situation you are in, before Windows and Drobo >> no longer work together. >> >> You do have choices.... replace the Drobo boxes with large external HDD >> boxes that work on USB. They can be bought for a few hundred dollars. >> Probably the lowest cost and fully equivalent to what you have now, but >> since the USB box is modern and built to work with WIndows, and uses no >> SW on your computer, it will last a LONG time..... >> >> Replace the Drobo with a LAN box... called NAS ( Network Attached >> Storage). Same as above only it works on a network connection to your >> computer rather than USB. There are a bunch of differences, but in >> essence, for very large file systems ( Tina has about 1 MILLION images), >> this solution will provide faster response time for search and other >> functions. But you must deal with the LAN issues.... Not so easy.... not >> terrible, but not easy. They are more expensive. >> >> There you go.... if you use Drobo HDD enclosures, do something NOW. >> >> If you are running your BUSINESS on a Drobo, you are living a nightmare >> in the making... You want the IRS to permanently live in your office, >> demanding you get old records from your now dead computer because the >> Drobo is dead? Want/NEED the email address of that 16 year old that >> lives on Pizza and Energy-Caffeine drinks? >> >> I want to point out that this is NOT a hardware issue.... the HDD and the >> box will probably work for a long time in the future,,,, it is an issue >> of incompatible software. >> >> But you will not be able to access it...... >> >> If you have questions, you may email me directly and I will help you to >> make decisions and, to the extent I can, I will help you implement those >> decisions. >> >> No, I do not charge. >> >> Frank Filippone >> BMWRed735i at Gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> Seehttp://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > Seehttp://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information