Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2019/12/10
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Having several years of Sony Alpha experience, I?d just interject that for me the system?s no nightmare, rather it?s like a full pantry. It lets me use what I need or want, and if I decide to try something new to me, the solution is right there available for my use. I use several lenses, and while I keep some Leica glass, I?ve slipped away from using it as the Sony, Zeiss and now a couple of Samyang lenses do a pretty wonderful job. The A7r3 is the most useful camera I?ve ever owned, and I doubt I?ll go to a four, but never say never. I?ll always be a Leica photographer at heart, but in my hand will probably be Sonny?s Sony. I hope you enjoy the Two! Sent from my iPhone Sonny Carter http://www.SonC.com/look > On Dec 10, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Ken Iisaka <ken at iisaka.com> wrote: > > ?If I was invested in a Sony system, I don't think I'd make the jump. Sony > is a fine system, though I don't think its lenses are at the same level as > Leica SL lenses. However, the SL system natively only goes to 280mm, and > that's Doug's "wide" lens. > > However, its viewfinder is amazing. I thought I was in 7th heaven with SL, > but SL2 kicks it up a notch. The same display panel is used in other > cameras but the optical system may or may not be the same. The focus peak > feature is better than SL, too, with both the native lens or adapted M- and > R- lenses. > > I could have saved a few thousand dollars and get similar quality images > with the Panasonic S1R. However, I've found its user interface to be a > nightmare, which is also my view of the Sony system. Also, the ease with > which I can use legacy lenses is great with the SL2, though I'd suspect > that the Panasonic body too would recognize coded M-lenses with a Leica > adapter. > > I also like the fact that the same battery can be used for SL, SL2 and Q2. > >> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 at 14:29, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Doug, >> I would suggest you rent a Sony A7RIV before you leap back into Leica. I >> say this as both cameras are relatively equal in performance with a nod to >> the Sony for larger files, better high ISO performance and a smaller body. >> Not by much but you have a substantial investment in lenses at this point. >> I have adapted a lot of lenses to other bodies and the native mount is >> always the best; there is always some loss in the translation. >> >> Personally, I am waiting for the M11 with the higher count sensor as I >> have >> rediscovered my love for the M's and being able to walk with a widish lens >> that crops into a telephoto improves spontaneity and lightens the load on >> my shoulder. I fully recognize the burden of high MP files versus the 24 >> of an M10 but memory on multiply redundant drives is cheap compared to an >> APO Summicron or Noctilux or 21 Summilux. >> >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 8:58 PM Douglas Herr via LUG <lug at >> leica-users.org> >> wrote: >> >>> ARGGGHHH! >>> >>> I wish I hadn't read this! >>> >>> Doug Herr >>> Birdman of Sacramento >>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Ken Iisaka <ken at iisaka.org> >>>> Sent: Dec 9, 2019 4:19 PM >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: [Leica] SL2 arrived >>>> >>>> So, I had been on the fence about getting an SL2. I knew I didn't "need" >>> 47 >>>> mp. I also thought the Q2 I acquired a few months ago produced >>> unbelievably >>>> fantastic results when I took it on a trip to Italy a while back, too. >>>> >>>> Yet, I put myself on a waiting list for an SL2, thinking that it won't >> be >>>> until some time next year until I receive it, and I thought I would have >>>> some time to decide whether I really wanted it or not. >>>> >>>> Well, it turned out that I got an e-mail last week that I would be >>>> receiving one soon. Panicked, I debated whether to cancel the order, but >>>> the lapse of judgment let it slip by, and a box arrived a few days >> later. >>>> >>>> I have not shot many pictures with it yet but here are a few things: >>>> >>>> The image stabilization works incredibly well, with a native SL lens, as >>>> well as a coded M lens. It even worked well with a non-ROM R lens, >> after I >>>> set the lens spec through its touch-screen UI which is extremely >>> intuitive, >>>> even better than SL. This means I'll take more hand-held pictures with >> my >>>> collection of M- and R- mount lenses. Stabilization seems to work even >>>> better than the Q2. >>>> >>>> Mounted on a tripod, it captures far more details than I can see with my >>>> very own eyes. I have recently printed a landscape taken with a Q2 to >>>> 16"x24", and immediately ordered the same with 24"x36". Because the Q2 >>>> picture had to be cropped a little bit from the original, I wasn't using >>>> all the information that was captured. With the excellent 24-90, I can >>>> really use every square millimeter of the sensor. The result is >> comparable >>>> to, dare I say, 4x5. Over the weekend, I took some pictures around the >>>> Fitzgerald Marine Reserve in San Mateo County at dusk, and came home >> with >>>> stunning images, taken with 30-second exposures. >>>> >>>> With a compact prime lens, I can see it making the Q2 redundant, even if >>> Q2 >>>> is lighter than the SL2 body alone. However, the Q2 is so invisible, >> where >>>> the SL/SL2 seem so imposing. I will likely keep the Q2 to take >> snapshots, >>>> but the SL2 will probably be used more often than the SL was. >>>> >>>> With my previous Leica and non-Leica cameras, I was aware of their >>>> limitations, be it an M3, M6, M8, or a Leicaflex SL2 or even the digital >>>> SL. Now, it feels like there are no limits. >>>> >>>> The only other time I felt the same astonishment was when I tried a >> Leica >>>> M3 for the first time, after years of Japanese SLRs. Or, the time I >> tried >>> a >>>> Fazioli concert grand after decades of playing Steinways. It just felt >>> like >>>> the universe just got bigger beyond my ken. >>>> >>>> Anyone wants to buy an SL, cheap? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ken Iisaka >>>> first name at last name dot org or com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> -- >> Don >> don.dory at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > -- > Ken Iisaka > first name at last name dot org or com > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information