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Subject: [Leica] More 16-35 - Dear Uncle Ted
From: photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com (Philippe)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 08:12:03 +0200
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You?re right dear Uncle Ted,

Yet, when you are thinking of spending (not investing) so much on such an 
expensive lens, you want to know what it could bring to your stable.
Particularly if you use wides for architecture, or groups of people indoors, 
who basically do not usually have egg-shaped heads ;-)
And not for portrait, it goes without saying :-)

Does this sound so foolish?


Amities

Philippe



> Le 21 sept. 2018 ? 04:31, Ted Grant via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a 
> ?crit :
> 
> Hi Guys & Gals,
> I realize I'm going to sound just like an uneducated MORON about this 
> subject? But what you are talking about technically is a language I really 
> don't understand photographically?
> You see I just took photo moments that grabbed my one good eye and I went 
> click! I never tested anything, I suppose because I felt being LEICA it 
> was the best in the world! I didn't need to test anything. Besides from my 
> first camera in hand 27May1950 as a birthday gift from my wife I'm still 
> clueless today after 65 years of everyday happy snapping the world and 
> subjects I was covering.
> I went to Halifax on an assignment one day covering the harbour and water 
> ways of the area. Unfortunately I didn't have a very long lens with me. 
> :-) However the week before I had a look at the 280mm f2.8 Leica lens and 
> 2 different extenders, but didn't buy. Well that is until I realized I 
> sure needed some long glass to cover and complete my assignment properly. 
> CORRECTION???
> I phoned my photo store in Ottawa and asked did they still have the 280mm 
> and extenders? 
> "YEP!" was the reply! My response? "OK please package the 2 extenders and 
> 280 lens and air express to me in Halifax over-night thank you very much.
> And yep I had it all the next morning about 10 a.m. Where I immediately 
> had it out of metal case and assembled to be out on the harbour by noon 
> and blasting away at the ships and whatever!
> If there was anything not working right? I wouldn't know until I was back 
> home in a week. When I sent all the colour film, "KODACHROME" in for 
> processing and back in about ten days would I know if it were "good, bad 
> or ugly?" Results?
> All was cool and beautiful from any images as a strait 280mm, or anything 
> shot with one extender, both extenders or 280.
> So during all my years shooting "LEICA GEAR" I've never tested anything 
> and my good fortune I never had a screw-up. I suppose I'm just lucky.
> When I talked by phone to a LEICA technical rep. about using the extenders 
> with the 280.. he sternly suggested not doing it!
> I asked "WHY?" His response was? "They didn't recommend it!" My response 
> back? Too late I had already done it with several hundred rolls and ? 
> "THEY WERE ALL INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL!" And I smiled to myself. :-)
> So I will say once again! I've never "tested" any LEICA lens ever! And my 
> results have always been beautiful!
> cheers,
> Dr. ted grant O.C.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On 
> Behalf Of Frank Filippone
> Sent: September-20-18 2:21 PM
> To: lug at leica-users.org
> Subject: Re: [Leica] More 16-35
> 
> The question of lens distortion is no longer a big issue. LR has the 
> ability to correct this. In fact, from my observations, most of the 
> correction done is about barrel or pin cushion correction. Pretty 
> secondary for landscape folk. Pretty important for (serious ) 
> architectural work. 
> Sharpness is a totally different issue. But keep in mind that your 
> composition and therefore the important elements in your image will 
> determine corner sharpness importance. Think portraits as a good example. 
> 
> Frank Filippone Red735i at Verizon.net
> On Thursday, September 20, 2018, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> I believe that the sharpness missing in the corners is due to depth of
> field issues.  Almost all ultra wides have significant sharpness falloff as
> you move off center.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 4:05 PM Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks - there's a serious loss of sharpness in the angles at this
>> aperture (thinking of the decaying trunk where flare appears in the bottom
>> left corner too), but the center is (way) more than fine by my standards.
>> 
>> Now, had you shot the flowers at a wider aperture, and these at f.11, I
>> certainly would be the last one to blame you ?
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> How is distortion when shooting less bucolic scenes, for instance the
>> facade of a building at the smallest end of the zoom range, or the
>> structure of a shopping mall, is the next question I?m aking myself :-)
>> 
>> Keep them coming :-)
>> 
>> Amities
>> 
>> Philippe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Le 20 sept. 2018 ? 19:38, James Handsfield <jhandsfield at att.net> a
>> ?crit :
>>> 
>>> Here are four more shot this morning at Henderson Park, Tucker, GA.
>> These are all shot at 16mm and wide open for comparison.
>>> 
>>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Henderson+Park/
>> <http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Henderson+Park/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim Handsfield
>>> jhandsfield at att.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> -- 
> Don
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