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Subject: [Leica] Best Learning Camera
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 21:05:26 +0530
References: <D4636DBB.6816F%mark@rabinergroup.com> <A964A8E5D6D343A5ACBC2E94CF39421D@Family> <e15f6523-9077-8e62-8ef4-3f40dda13a82@gmx.de>

Because mirrorless cameras (not rangefinders, mind you) are small, compact
and easy to carry, she will probably use them far more than a DSLR....

Anyone who comes to me here looking for advice gets promptly outfitted with
a micro 4/3 mirrorless, usually an interchangeable lens Olympus body, or a
Sony RX100 as the requirement may be - I suggested Fuji in this case
because that enables access to Tina's lenses as she progresses.

Cheers
Jayanand

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp at gmx.de> 
wrote:

> Why does everyone seem to think she needs a rangefinder camera?
>
> All the big manufacturers make reasonably priced DSLRs with all the manual
> setting options you could ever ask for - and plenty of Auto bits and bobs
> to tide her over till she learns all about them! One thing?s certain - she
> will have one of the best as a teacher!
>
> The best suggestion so far was to let her pick the one she wants.
>
> Cheers
> Douglas
>
> On 29.11.2016 23:43, Douglas Barry wrote:
>
>> I take it you've no children, Mark. I sometimes just had to lob raw meat
>> in the corner where they were gathered :-)
>>
>> Douglas
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at 
>> rabinergroup.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Best Learning Camera
>>
>>
>> I would bring her to the camera store and let her pick out her own camera.
>> It's all about her not us.
>>
>> If someone picked out a camera for me I'd strangle them with my bare hands
>> with gratitude. Its really quite a presumptuous insult.
>> We need to stop treating kids like they're sub humans. Those days are
>> past.
>>
>>
>> On 11/29/16 1:50 PM, "John McMaster" <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
>>
>> I thought the 65mm needed a Visoflex to work? Also only a portrait lens
>>> on an
>>> M8... Don't forget the UV/IR filters if shooting in colour
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> I second Jayanand?s suggestion, and also John?s of getting her a 35mm
>>> Voigtlander lens for the M8 if you prefer to steer her the Leica way. I
>>> think
>>> the 65mm Elmar by itself would not be that useful, whereas a 35mm (or a
>>> 28mm)
>>> would work much better on the M8 as an all-around lens.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>
>>> On 29 Nov 2016, at 18:06, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest a Fuji XE2, bought used, with a 35mm f2 (50mm
>>>> equivalent) to start with. B&H are selling the Fuji lens new at
>>>> US$299, a raging bargain if I ever saw one! This will make a
>>>> lightweight, compact starter system, with excellent components, and
>>>> all manual controls individually available, including excellent focus
>>>> peaking to aid manual focus. You can buy her a Fuji made M adapter
>>>> later for
>>>> her to try your lenses.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/801263229-USE/fujifilm_16404791
>>>> _x_e2_mirrorless_digital_camera.html
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1191420-REG/fujifilm_xf_35mm_f_
>>>> 2_r.html
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Jayanand
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> LUG:
>>>>>
>>>>> My granddaughter is 15 and into all things artistic.  She is taking
>>>>> photography in high school and is very interested, following me
>>>>> around asking lots of good questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to get her a good camera for Christmas that she can use to
>>>>> learn.
>>>>> She's very interested in f stops and focal lengths and the
>>>>> differences they make.
>>>>>
>>>>> One choice would be to give her one of my old M8's but the
>>>>> disadvantage to that is that she will not be able to afford extra
>>>>> lenses for it.  I have an old Elmar 65/3.5 that I would include but I
>>>>> don't have a lot of surplus lenses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there another digital camera out there that would be good for
>>>>> learning apertures, speeds, focal lengths?  Most of them are so
>>>>> automatic you don't ever have to know what those are but she wants to
>>>>> know!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tina
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tina Manley
>>>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
>>>>> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-
>>>>> 4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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