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Subject: [Leica] IMGS: IR Attempts
From: kcarney1 at cox.net (Ken Carney)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 10:33:15 -0500
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Hi Howard,

Yes, that is correct.  In my initial tries with digital IR I thought a 
wide-angle at infinity would make things simple, but as you note there 
are different infinities for the wavelengths.  With regard to autofocus, 
I can't offer a technical explanation.  Since the autofocus is based on 
contrast differences, I just assume those work as well in the IR as they 
do in normal light.  Here is a more complete explanation from Lifepixel.com:

https://www.lifepixel.com/focus-calibration-options

Here are some samples mostly all taken with the Fuji XE-1 or XE-2 and a 
Hoya R72 IR filter (and autofocus):

http://www.kencarney.com/infrared

The Fuji cameras have a weak IR filter.  The downside is long exposure 
times and a tripod or monopod (as much as 1/2 second).  I will probably 
soon have a third Fuji XE body which I will probably have converted to 
IR only, and take advantage of normal exposure times.

Ken


On 8/31/2016 8:24 PM, Howard L Ritter Jr wrote:
> Ken?
>
> If you think you can't focus IR because you can?t go beyond infinity, 
> you?re going in the wrong direction. IR focuses as though the subject is 
> CLOSER than it is, so you want to use a DOF marker that focuses the lens 
> at a shorter distance than the subject actually is. For my lens (same as 
> Tina?s) the best ?distance" for a subject at infinity is 2-3 meters. Even 
> there I can?t get as sharp an image as with visible light.
>
> No, this 21mm f/2.8 Elmarit doesn?t have an IR index. I?ve seen them, and 
> would have sworn that my older Leica glass did, but not so my vintage 50 
> ?lux, DR ?cron, or 5cm ?cron. I have no idea where I used to see them, but 
> clearly IR is out of fashion now.
>
> I?m intrigued to hear that you can get properly focused IR images with an 
> AF lens. Are you shooting digital? I?d have thought that the IR filter 
> routinely used as a sensor cover glass in digital photography (except for 
> the M8!) would have prevented this. Or are you using film? If digital, 
> what camera? And what filter are you using?
>
> ?howard
>
>
>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like you're pretty close.  I think the key to IR is autofocus, not 
>> an option here.  You might try a few shots at different focus settings to 
>> see what works with the M8/21.  I know my Fuji X 14mm is OOF when it is 
>> at his hard stop infinity setting, with a 720nm filter, but autofocus if 
>> fine.  Also in LR I like to pump up the whites and decrease the blacks 
>> some.  It is great that you can make IR images at those settings, freeing 
>> you from the tripod.  I take it that the 21 does not have an "infrared" 
>> focus mark?
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2016 6:49 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
>>> LUG:
>>>
>>> After seeing the great IR photos posted here lately, I finally dug out my
>>> old M8s (the ones that fell in the river but are still working fine),
>>> charged up the batteries, and found a B+W 092 filter in the drawer that 
>>> fit
>>> my 21/2.8 Elmarit.  I went out around the farm and photographed a few
>>> things.  Lots of problems.  Nothing looks sharp.  What am I doing wrong?
>>> None of the EXIF is right.  Most of these were made at ISO 160, around 
>>> 5.6,
>>> and usually 1/30 or more exposure.
>>>
>>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/163998663
>>>
>>> and the next 5.   Is there a trick to focusing with the dark filters?  I 
>>> do
>>> like the tones so I would like to learn how to do this, but it has to be 
>>> in
>>> focus to work for me!!  I got some great photos of the cat yawning that 
>>> are
>>> so out of focus I won't bother to post them!!
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Tina
>>
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