Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2016/06/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]ooh, free delivery?I am tempted? Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> YNWA > On 02 Jun 2016, at 20:57, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com> > wrote: > > This one is still active > http://tinyurl.com/h87wxhz <http://tinyurl.com/h87wxhz> > :-) > Ph > > > Le 2 juin 2016 ? 20:41, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu > <mailto:photo at frozenlight.eu>> a ?crit : > >> Indeed, it appears that 1.204 is not on Leica?s web site. Anyway, the >> listing of the M9 I was thinking of has disappeared from the Facebook >> Leica Classifieds group, so it is all moot anyway. >> >> Cheers, >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >> <http://www.frozenlight.eu/ <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>> >> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/ >> <http://www.greatpix.eu/>>www.greatpix.eu <http://www.greatpix.eu/> >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/><http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>> >> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>> >> YNWA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 02 Jun 2016, at 17:15, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: >>> >>> Nathan, >>> >>> From what I have read, there is no crossover date. Somewhere around >>> January 2016 they started using the improved sensor cover, but were also >>> still using some of the older covers. It is implied, no, I have not >>> seen it written, that the factory made the firmware update when they >>> installed the newer sensor system. >>> >>> John M. says in another post that 1.204 is not available for download. >>> I have no way of knowing about this point. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> >>> On 6/1/2016 11:54 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>> This is confusing, though. How can the firmware version indicate the >>>> sensor? What if I have an M9 with the original sensor and just update >>>> the firmware myself? >>>> It seems from Douglas post that it is safer to go by date of >>>> replacement. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>> Alicante, Spain >>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>> YNWA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 23:30, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Douglas, >>>>> >>>>> From the latest posting I could find, the best clue is the Firmware >>>>> number. Apparently, if the new corrosion-less sensor is installed, >>>>> they update the Firmware to 1.204. The previous version, for the >>>>> earlier sensor, is 1.202. >>>>> >>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>> >>>>> On 6/1/2016 4:19 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote: >>>>>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Update-CCD-Sensor >>>>>> >>>>>> *Dated 31/08/2015:* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> /"Update CCD Sensor of the Leica M9/M9-P/M >>>>>> Monochrom and M-E camera models/ >>>>>> >>>>>> // >>>>>> >>>>>> /We are very pleased to inform you that we have successfully >>>>>> completed development on our new generation of CCD sensors and >>>>>> conducted subsequent quality assurance testing under practical >>>>>> conditions. As a result, Leica Camera AG can now begin replacing the >>>>>> sensors in the M9, M9-P and M-E models that were affected by >>>>>> corrosion with sensors from the new generation./ >>>>>> >>>>>> /Sensor replacement for M Monochrom models will also begin shortly. >>>>>> We will inform you of the precise date of this as soon as possible./ >>>>>> >>>>>> /On this note, we would like to remind our customers that we can only >>>>>> offer replacements for CCD sensors for cameras affected by this >>>>>> particular problem; prophylactic replacement is not possible./ >>>>>> >>>>>> /We thank you for your patience and for your loyalty to the Leica >>>>>> brand."/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately, it doesn?t say exactly from when the "new generation" >>>>>> replacements are being installed. But it seems to indicate that any >>>>>> replacements made before 31 August 2015 must have been with older >>>>>> generation sensors. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Douglas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 01.06.2016 23:03, Jim Nichols wrote: >>>>>>> Nathan & Douglas, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A search turned up this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/258531-m9-sensor/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/1/2016 3:53 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>>>>> I have no idea when the cutover date was. I am basing my statements >>>>>>>> on Peter Klein?s post. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 22:43, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nathan, I'll pick your brain if I might as a Google search has >>>>>>>>> failed to clarify this. >>>>>>>>> I didn't realise the sensor replacement was date critical. The >>>>>>>>> private one near me here in Ireland had its sensor replaced 6 >>>>>>>>> months ago by Leica. I presume that's ok? If so, I just might make >>>>>>>>> him an offer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Douglas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at >>>>>>>>> frozenlight.eu> >>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:22 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who have replied. So the story is not that >>>>>>>>>> simple?not only do I need to know whether the sensor has been >>>>>>>>>> replaced but also whether it has been replaced with the old one >>>>>>>>>> or the new one. I have asked the seller when the replacement got >>>>>>>>>> done. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And no, I do not want to deal with the hassle of sending a camera >>>>>>>>>> to Germany and then waiting for who knows how long. My previous >>>>>>>>>> experience sending my M8 for repair back in 2009 or 10 was not >>>>>>>>>> that great. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 14:22, Frank Verizon 2 2016 <red735i at >>>>>>>>>>> verizon.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would buy the one that has not had the sensor replaced, if I >>>>>>>>>>> could determine the replacement is required. Then I would send >>>>>>>>>>> it in for sensor replacement, getting the complete camera >>>>>>>>>>> checked out and adjusted for free. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are those that would say buying a non-current digicam is >>>>>>>>>>> silly. You are buying old technology. Not as good. My argument >>>>>>>>>>> is that if it does the job you want, when you buy it, the age of >>>>>>>>>>> the technology is not relevant. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The M9 has proven itself to me to be reliable and a great back >>>>>>>>>>> end for Leica glass. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> $2500 is a bargain >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:05 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at >>>>>>>>>>> frozenlight.eu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have always said that once the M9 prices come down to a level >>>>>>>>>>> that I am prepared to pay, I will buy one. Well, in the past >>>>>>>>>>> week I have seen two for sale, for $2500 and $2200, >>>>>>>>>>> respectively. The one I saw this morning has had the sensor >>>>>>>>>>> replaced. Those prices are within my range, but I now have >>>>>>>>>>> doubts about reliability. Clearly, buying an M9 that has not had >>>>>>>>>>> a sensor replacement is out of the question; but in case one has >>>>>>>>>>> had it, is the new sensor reliable?or is it just a matter of >>>>>>>>>>> time before it starts rotting just like the original one did? >>>>>>>>>>> And are there other reliability issues besides the sensor? >>>>>>>>>>> Digital Leicas have not had a stellar record. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug > <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> for more information