Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/10/30

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Subject: [Leica] BIG new Leica
From: zoeica at (chris williams)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 07:44:42 -0400
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Dpreview. Ha. Come on, wait til the camera gets used by real photographers 
in the real world.

Chris Williams

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at> 
> wrote:
> That is a somewhat frustrating first look review from them for me. I used
> to follow their reviews on many brands where they provided good features
> description, handling and impressions even in first looks, I think. Perhaps
> they will add more later.
> Their comment on the default DNG profile (and default JPEG rendering)
> reflects that it was not yet optimised when they tested. Adobe will
> doubtless address that (as they have just done in the newest raw processing
> for S (Typ 007) DNG's).
> Re the banding comments, when I read this is a problem at base ISO if you
> push the file by five or six EV, I feel like this has got  into the realm
> of theoretical analysis absent practical use of the camera. How many of us
> would expect no loss of quality in that circumstance?
> It doesn't matter about the equipment brand, surely this is hardly relevant
> in practical use? Personally I have sometimes been surprised at just how
> much information is in the shadows from  the M (Typ 240) and S2 for
> example. But if I needed to fix an underexposure by that much it would need
> to be a Pulitzer Prize candidate image for me to admit that I got the
> exposure that wrong in the first place.
> I don't think that direct camera to camera performance comparisons are
> necessarily sensible either when they are not even being compared with the
> same optics for example. The 'real world samples' they provide were
> evidently with a Summilux 35 (unknown model). Must be an M lens with
> adapter I guess.
> Maybe if the review is updated to talk about the actual camera features and
> their experience in using it with the first to be released lens It might be
> more interesting/relevant for me in any case.
> No-one even has a serial camera yet as far as I know yet there is no
> shortage of criticism it seems. Maybe the 'it's too big, Leica should.....'
> theme is lessening at least ;-) DPreview bear some responsibility for
> influencing that with a misleading image too, as I recall.
> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul Roark <roark.paul at>
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:39:35 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new Leica
> See
> "[The Leica SL's] shadow performance can be significantly undermined by
> the hard-to-correct-for banding."
> Paul
> <>
> Cheers
> Geoff
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