Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/10/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]99% of what I shoot is hand-held. The rest are shot with the camera sitting on a trash-can or table or anything else that is stable. I just don't carry tripods around. I used to carry mono-pods when I needed a cane. Now with my artificial knees, I don't need a cane so I don't usually carry mono-pods either. I use fast lenses, higher ISOs (fast film in the past), and breathing techniques. That's usually enough for a candle-lit room in an adobe house with no windows. Tina On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> wrote: > Mark.. several of us do not want to spend the money for a M240. > Thus all the talk about the Sony A7..... and its variants. Or why several > of use still use M9's. > > And the Leica anything (M8,M9,M240, and the Mono versions) are not ISO > speed > demons. They are still WAY under the competitive power curve, DSLR or not. > I consider my M9 no good above ISO 640. YMMV > > I still use a tripod... Read Puts on getting the BEST out of your glass, > it is one of the techniques you must use. Remember, the operative word is > BEST. > > Flimsy tripods are just that, flimsy. Most tripods are up to the job of a > few pound camera. Others are pure junk. You know this stuff. > > Frank Filippone > Red735i at verizon.net > > > It sounds like you are juggling a truckload of glass adding up to serious > money which will not make up for the fact that you are using an M9 Leicas > CCD first out full frame digital M and not a current CMOS M. > Speed considerations (and people do use tripods) are a thing of the past in > digital photography nowadays with a normal cruising speed of 64,000 two > stops over 16,000 and that's just getting warmed up. > Unless you happen to be shooting a technical anomaly like an M9. > The plus side Leica is still in business and its finally got it right > digitally with the current CMOS M. (240) which lets you use the iso' s the > rest of the serious photog world are using on their DSLR's........ > > > And as I said with digital speed is was more so no longer an issue but > especially with landscape shooting where tripods are the default. > Tripod use now is not the tripod use of days gone by. > They are resin coated light and friendly and the heads are ball head > variations which leave your hands on the camera its the interface between > your camera and tripod and makes all the difference. Tripod use is much > less > clunky than it was before. Its not all all clunky now. Get a nice little > tripod case with strap to sling over your back like Robin Hood you won't > even know its there. And wear green! And steal from the rich and give to > the > poor. > > > On 10/24/15 3:23 PM, "Paul Roark" <roark.paul at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I added the SUPER ELMAR-M 1:3,4/21mm ASPH to the comparison stack, below: > > > > http://www.paulroark.com/Loxia-v-Leica-21-f28-SEM.tif > > > > No doubt the SEM is the sharpest and smallest modern 21. I have the > > ELMAR-M > > 24 mm f/3.8 ASPH, which I use as my "reference" wide angle on an M9. > > The Loxia, at f/2.8, however is faster and has a good 3/4 stop less > > vignetting/light falloff. > > > > I used the Biogon C 21mm on the M9 -- for B&W. (It is not appropriate > > for color shooting due to bad magenta color at the edges.) It's > > sharp, but the vignetting was significant -- about like the SEM 21. I > > found heavily "red filtered" (in Photoshop) blue skies got noticeably > > more grainy at the edges with the M9. So, that light falloff issue is > > a relevant factor in the calculus. > > > > The WATE is my only good superwide that will fit on the Sony. More > > speed and better wide open performance is what I'm interested in with > > the Loxia 21. We'll see. If it's a turkey, it'll be returned. It > > will not be shipped until December. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Frank Filippone > > <red735i at verizon.net> > > wrote: > > > >> In my use of the lenses, the 50 ASPH Lux is the best. Period. I can > >> see the difference. > >> The 21 and 24 SEM are VERY close to each other. > >> The WATE is about as good as the 21, side by side, and offers the > >> ability to have wider if you want/need. Great for stitched > >> Panoramas. > >> > >> Then again, YMMV, and this is all on a M9 body. > >> > >> I do not use a 28.. too close to the 35 in angle of view for me. So > >> no comment on the 28's, ASPH or not. > >> The 28 Cron was wonderful on the M8.... but that body is gone too. > >> > >> I had a 35 ASPH Cron and did not cotton to the lens. I have friends > >> who love it.. > >> > >> The 21 and 24 ASPH Elmarits are all to big physically (BIG front > >> elements) for travel purposes, given the choice of the SEMs. > >> Faster, yes, but you need to make it all fit in a small camera bag.... > >> > >> If someone is in the mood to buy a 24 ASPH Elmarit, please contact > me.... > >> > >> Frank Filippone > >> Red735i at verizon.net > >> > >> > >> I think the Leica 21mm Super-Elmar-M f/ 3.4 ASPH Lens is better! > >> > >> > >> On 10/23/15 5:44 PM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> wrote: > >> > >>> The 21 and 24 SEM are similar to the 50 ASPH Lux (and the WATE!). I > >>> can pick out images from those lenses from others in my stable.... > >>> > >>> It may be that the optical characteristics of the most modern lenses > >>> are similar.... design tools? Intentional design compromises? > >>> Purely > >> chance? > >>> > >>> Frank Filippone > >>> Red735i at verizon.net > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] > >>> On Behalf Of John McMaster > >>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:40 PM > >>> To: 'Leica Users Group' > >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new Leica > >>> > >>> The 21mm SEM beats the Elmarit asph in all areas IMO. I would say > >>> that the S range is Leica's still lens showcase range ;-) > >>> > >>> john > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> > >>> ?Yes, everything is a whole set of compromises. I assume Leica and > >>> Zeiss will both continue to make optics that also cater to those who > >>> value > >> compactness. > >>> The M line is Leica's current showcase of what it can do. It may be > >>> that the Loxia line for the Sony is representative of what Zeiss can > >>> do for that platform. > >>> > >>> Since wide angle optics are the main area of my concern regarding > >>> the Sony line, I was curious just how much of a penalty that > >>> platform will pay. To show this, I made a Tiff file with a cutout of > the Leica v. > >>> Zeiss Loxia 21mm > >>> f/2.8 entries into this competition shown on different layers. The > >>> images are adjusted to equalize size and distance from the sensor/film. > >>> Some might find looking at the two similar optics interesting. > >>> Download the Tiff from > >>> http://www.paulroark.com/Loxia-v-Leica-21-f28.tif > >>> > >>> As to relative sharpness, all we have are MTF curves that are not > >>> necessarily comparable. If they are to be believed, the Zeiss wins > >>> by a hair. My experience is that Leica is more conservative in > >>> these, and > >> in > >>> the real world Leica might well win by a hair. The main and more > >>> objective measure of performance that could be important is that, > >>> consistent with the performances we see in other wide angle lenses, > >>> the more retrofocus optic has less vignetting. Zeiss is claiming > >>> light falloff at f/2.8 that is equal to the Leica at f/8. > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> www.PaulRoark.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Tina Manley www.tinamanley.com tina-manley.artistwebsites.com http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html