Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I don't know Frank you're the computer guy and so is Richard which is why he was backed up and has not lost any data. Last I heard even non computer people back up their stuff because to do so by their second grade teachers. You cant back up film because when you copy film its a second generation thing which looks like it. Its a huge loss of information. But you sure as heck can copy digital lossless.. So you can back up and keep stuff in more than one place. On 5/15/15 1:41 AM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> wrote: > I guess you cannot be convinced with technical facts. > > Try this out.... How many HDD crash without warning? Richard Man's crashed > last week. You think HIS files are intact any more on that disk? > > Even if you do not believe us about magnetic bits going wonky, do backups > anyway. And refresh them at least once a year... or more often. You may > do > it for the wrong reason, but at least you are doing it...... > > Frank Filippone > Red735i at verizon.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On > Behalf > Of Mark Rabiner > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:32 PM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: So much for "film is forever".. > Importance: Low > > I have been Binging and Googling "photography old digital files corrupted" > and you'd think one person in the world in the last 15 years of digital > photography must have expensed it especially since we're being told not > that > digital media only lasts ten years tops. I'm coming up with Jack on this > the > only thing I seem to find is when peoples memory cards give out on them > there is recovering software to bring some of those images back. > Nothing not one thing on pictures on a hard disk no longer openable or > looking wonky. > I'm back to feeling much more at ease in the state of my digital body of > work. > > > On 5/15/15 1:21 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > >> I think the fact that while most of us have switched to digital our >> body of work is now (roughly since the year 2000) is in danger is very >> on topic as I think its big news where can I sell my digital bodies >> and re buy back my film ones?!? >> >> I'd like to hear a roll count on the LUG of people whose old digital >> files have given up on them or have gotten all wonky. Other side known >> as digital fading. >> I'm being told by you that my digital files are deteriorating I JUST >> CAN SEE IT.!! >> >> I don't think when you back up digitally to do it redundantly is the >> end of the world. I used to back up my whole hard disk with floppies. >> A stack of them many inches thick. And I had several sets of them in >> case one of them was bad and for other reasons. It was an automatic > process but doable. >> Now its just copying one hard disk to another sometimes a slightly bigger > one. >> Can be done in ones sleep. >> >> >> On 5/14/15 7:16 PM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org> wrote: >> >>> We are going way off topic here so this is my last comment. I did not >>> say to store your digital media using microfiche. >>> >>> I am aware of a group of digital archivist (including someone from >>> NIST) working on how to preserve digital media in a standardized fashion. >>> >>> Best practice digital media preservation currently require regular >>> active copying and indefinite transcription of digital media to >>> protect again deterioration of storage media and format obsolescence. >>> >>> If you are not doing both, your stored media is likely to stay >>> ephemeral despite of what you believe. >>> >>> Mark, do as you wish but 1?s magically becomes 0?s in digital media >>> whether you believe it?s going to happen or not. Good Luck. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Spencer >>> >>>> On May 14, 2015, at 16:17, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> From the Library of Congress (USA) >>>> "Does the Library of Congress recommend microfilming or digitization >>>> for reformatting institutional collections?.... >>>> >>>> " That said, the end of microfilming is near, despite it's >>>> relatively low cost and the several hundred year projected lifetime of > preservation film. >>>> The National Endowment for the Humanities no longer funds grants for >>>> microfilming and microfilm readers are increasingly difficult to >>>> maintain and service." >>>> >>>> http://www.loc.gov/preservation/about/faqs/reformatting.html#prescop >>>> y >>>> >>>> Recognizing Digitization as a Preservation Reformatting Method >>>> http://chnm.gmu.edu/digitalhistory/links/pdf/preserving/8_34a.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/14/15 1:17 AM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Canadian Archive uses microfiche which are stable for 100+ years >>>>> (or acid-free paper for documents). The Canadian census was stored >>>>> that way. ?was? because >>> I am not sure we have a real census any >>>>> more. >>>> >>>> Digital storage is very >>>>> ephemeral. I doubt if most digital storage will last more than 10 > years. >>>>> Those >>>>> 1?s randomly change to 0?s far too frequently. I don?t think >>>>> archivist like digital media very much. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Spencer >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica >>>>> Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photographer >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photographer http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/