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Subject: [Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 23:09:57 -0700
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Jim, re: write speed
12 bits is a bit PITA to carry around. Usually 16 bits is used and the
software just ignores the 4 unused bits.

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:10 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> 
wrote:

> Wouldn't it also affect write speeds?  What if Leica puts more value on
> speed than on bit depths?
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
>
> On 5/5/2015 10:04 PM, Doug Herr wrote:
>
>> Sometimes the published bit depth has more to do with marketing than
>> anything else.
>>
>> Doug Herr
>> Birdman of Sacramento
>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>> Sent: May 5, 2015 6:01 PM
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files
>>>
>>> The "bit-depth" is not dependent on the format. If 12 bits is good enough
>>> for 35mm sensor, then it would be good enough for medium format sensor,
>>> and
>>> vice versa.
>>>
>>> Note that I have not said what I think personally on the technical
>>> merits.
>>> I am just giving out the perspective that the decision is almost
>>> certainly
>>> financial related rather than based on technical analysis.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  16 bit it says on this phase one achromatic plus monochrome but medium
>>>> format seems to have more bits involved or am I wrong?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/5/15 8:01 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  No doubt PhaseOne came to the same conclusion...
>>>>> http://www.achromaticplus.com/Achromatic_Plus/The_Back.html
>>>>>
>>>>> not...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think what will happen is they will put two large prints up side by
>>>>>>
>>>>> side
>>>>
>>>>> one with the old 14 bit camera and the other with the new 12 bit and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> camera will of course blow the old one right out of the water these
>>>>>>
>>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>> did not wake up one morning all of a sudden stupid.
>>>>>> The interesting thing will be what the mitigating factors might be and
>>>>>>
>>>>> how
>>>>
>>>>> they are put in place.
>>>>>> Is bit depth less of an issue with only one channel than three? (RGB)
>>>>>> Whatever it is the proof will be  in the pudding and they've already
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> tasted the  pudding. They'll give us a taste when they get around to
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> I do think plenty of people will be blown over by rather large glowing
>>>>>> monochrome prints from this camera which will be a life changing
>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>> A new paradigm creating kind of thing. And we'll see those soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/5/15 12:12 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I don't think you need to sign it. It's open for all to view. A
>>>>>>> longer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> way
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to get there is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Go to www.getdpi.com you will see Jono Slacks article about the new
>>>>>>> Monochrom. Then click on the getDPI Forums.
>>>>>>> Then scroll down to the Leica link
>>>>>>> Post #47 under The New Monochrom - a fine report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Steve Barbour <
>>>>>>> steve.barbour at gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On May 5, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This webpage is not available
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it is available, perhaps you have to sign in some-how.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Tina
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See post #46 by Jono Slack:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/54592-new-monochrom-fine-report.html#post63
>>>>
>>>>> 9690
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Curiouser and curiouser...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>>>>>>>>>>
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