Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/03/23
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Folks, second childhood is beckoning and we're crawling towards the infantile. Time to back off. Douglas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Photo show dissent > You prove, in your response, both my statements to be true! > Thank you Chris. :'-D > > Bob Adler > Robert Adler Photography > www.robertadlerphotography.com > >> On Mar 22, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Chris Crawford >> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: >> >> Bob, I stated a fact. His view is bigoted and it is historically >> unsupported. Sorry you?re too ?moronic? (talk about vile name calling!) >> to >> understand that. >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Fine Art Photography >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> 260-437-8990 >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >> Become a fan on Facebook >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 3/22/15, 9:05 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I don't think you will ever convince anyone, Chris, by starting a debate >>> with vile name calling. This is a lesson that you seem too moronic to >>> learn. >>> Bob >>> >>> Bob Adler >>> Robert Adler Photography >>> www.robertadlerphotography.com >>> >>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Chris Crawford >>>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Larry, that?s a bigoted and historically unsupportable view. >>>> Photographers >>>> have combined images to make totally conceptual scenes since the 19th >>>> century, most famously by Jerry Uelsmann starting in the 1960s and >>>> continuing to the present day. Ansel Adams famously stated that the >>>> negative was like a musical score, a starting point that the artist >>>> uses >>>> to produce the final performance (the print). >>>> >>>> Art and photography are most certainly NOT two different media. >>>> Photography is an art media, one of many, including painting, >>>> sculpture, >>>> ceramics, drawing, and graphic printmaking (eg. Etching, lithography). >>>> There is a lot of overlap, these are not absolutely separate art forms. >>>> The painter, sculptor and printmaker incorporate drawing into their >>>> work. >>>> The printmaker can transfer photos to the etching plate. Photographers >>>> can >>>> paint and draw on the photo, or manipulate it on the computer, and >>>> computer graphics can be purely drawing without using photos. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Crawford >>>> Fine Art Photography >>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>>> 260-437-8990 >>>> >>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>>> >>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >>>> Become a fan on Facebook >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 3/22/15, 4:39 PM, "Larry Zeitlin via LUG" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I just came back from the Westchester Photo Show where four of my >>>>> older >>>>> photographs were hung. They stood out like sore thumbs. Not because >>>>> they >>>>> were inferior but because they were different. All of mine were street >>>>> photos or pseudo street photos, slices of life taken in my usual >>>>> adventitious manner. Several were in my LUG gallery and were taken on >>>>> film. I'd be the first to admit that they are not great pictures but >>>>> they >>>>> were a sample of my photographic endeavors. >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Cook.jpeg.html >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Coppersmith.jpg.html >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/The+valve+room.jpg.html >>>>> Most of the other pictures exhibited were carefully posed, highly >>>>> processed images which tried to emulate fine art. I've always >>>>> believed, >>>>> as have most Luggers, that art and photography are two different >>>>> media, >>>>> each with its advantages and disadvantages. An artist can take time to >>>>> pose the subject appropriately, choose colors, and accentuate what he >>>>> or >>>>> she chooses. It is a contemplative and imaginative medium. >>>>> Photography, >>>>> on the other hand, is ideal for catching slices of life which may >>>>> vanish >>>>> in a fraction of a second.?It is a realistic and immediate medium. >>>>> What was most interesting is that several exhibiting photographers >>>>> maintained that the original image was not the end in itself but >>>>> merely >>>>> the starting point for intensive manipulation in Photoshop. Indeed, >>>>> some >>>>> of the pictures were so significantly altered that they bore little >>>>> resemblence to the actual scene. Colors were changed, portions of the >>>>> image were accentuated or eliminated. The worst case, in my opinion, >>>>> was >>>>> a photograph which combined several individual photos in one displayed >>>>> image. Just like the Russian Mayday podium pictures. >>>>> I'm coming to believe that exhibited photos should bear a warning >>>>> label, >>>>> like foodstuffs, noting if any artificial ingredients were used in the >>>>> presentation. >>>>> Larry Z >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information