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Subject: [Leica] Prints are way too dark. Driven to distraction
From: rgacpa at gmail.com (Robert Adler)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 18:44:19 -0800
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What please?? I've even been talking to Eizo customer support and they
state that the brightness of the monitor has to me much lower than what the
luminance is that is set by their custom profiler with an iOne Pro...

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Leowesson <leowesson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, it ain't supposed to work that way.  Ya'll are doing something
> wrong.
>
> Leo Wesson
> leowesson.com
>
> > On Mar 1, 2015, at 16:28, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I now have 2 monitors: I have one darkened to match print output (I am
> > actually trying to have a different profile on that monitor for the paper
> > that I use) and one to work on for web viewing. I initially process for
> web
> > viewing. I find that most times a simple pulling up on the middle of the
> > curve adjustment in CC or LR works just fine for prints. Sometimes it
> gets
> > more complicated.
> > Bob
> >
> >> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Similar. I noticed that, too.   No matter how I calibrate the monitor,
> the
> >> prints are always darker than the monitor.  Whether I was printing
> myself,
> >> or using Costso.  Since two outputs were giving me the same results, my
> >> input must be at fault.  So, then, I learned a few years ago to turn the
> >> monitor down.  I downloaded Color HCFR and got it to work with my Spyder
> >> and found out the monitor was WAY to bright.  The profile software for
> >> Spyder did not adjust the monitor brightness.  I had to turn my monitor
> >> (Dell 1224 IPS) down to 17 to get to the recommended brightness.  It
> looks
> >> pretty dark compared to my other monitor, but it works.  Prints are
> dead on
> >> from monitor to my printer (R3000) or to Costco.  The trend in consumer
> >> monitors seems to be bright and saturated, but that does not translate
> to a
> >> standard print file, evidentially.
> >>
> >> so, try getting the HCFR Colorimeter program and see if you can get it
> to
> >> work on your Monki.  The crank that monitor brightness down.
> >>
> >> Aram
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Robert Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 4:02 PM
> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Prints are way too dark. Driven to distraction
> >>
> >>
> >> Personally, I don't think your missing anything Lew. Even though these
> >>> calibrations are supposed to calibrate for "luminance", I tend to turn
> my
> >>> monitor down 2-4 stops to match a standard calibration chart that I've
> >>> printed on my printer. Then I adjust in CC or LR on a monitor that has
> >>> been
> >>> darkened by the above process. Seems really dumb, but it works...
> >>> Best,
> >>> Bob
> >>> PS-Please let me know if you find out differently!
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm printing on Epson Proofing, using LR 5.7, Epson 4880, ViewSonic
> >>>> monitor
> >>>> and I've just re-profiled monitor and printer using colormunki, plus I
> >>>> confirm that both monitor and printer are using the new profiles. The
> >>>> resulting prints are aprox 2- 4 stops too dark. Too dark is an on
> going
> >>>> problem for me, LR, the 4880 and this monitor; I expected things to
> get
> >>>> better after the colormunki stuff. I've just been winging a solution
> in
> >>>> the
> >>>> past by using the exposure control in the LR develop module and the
> >>>> brightness setting in the print module. Not a great solution, but
> >>>> workable.
> >>>> Now, with these new profiles, I'm not even close. WTF? Things are way
> >>>> worse. What am I missing?
> >>>>
> >>>> -Lew Schwartz
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Leica Users Group.
> >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Bob Adler
> >>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bob Adler
> > www.robertadlerphotography.com
> >
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-- 
Bob Adler
www.robertadlerphotography.com


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