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Subject: [Leica] Digicraft U Develop is no more
From: mak at teleport.com (Mark Kronquist)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:31:50 -0800
References: <D1155481.33C9F%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Well appears that way  Huge dumpster out front  Blue Moon Pro Photo and soon 
to be reborn Citizen's Photo live
On Feb 26, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> The Kodak had the deep orange base to it that all the full color color neg
> films has which made it easy to print color and for the one hour photo
> machines to print black and white. But that orange base made it murder to
> print with an enlarger because the orange base was like a safelight. The
> enlarging times took forever.
> The Ilford xp1 then xp2 though did not have that heavy orange base so could
> be printed nicely in a normal darkroom with a normal enlarger.
> So all the people I know went for the Ilford for that reason. Most of them
> had darkrooms or when to our rental place. U Develop on Barbour Blvd. in
> Portland Oregon.
> 
> On 2/26/15 7:29 PM, "Peter Dzwig" <pdzwig at summaventures.com> wrote:
> 
>> I had been told that BW400CN was unavailable too. In fact I bought a few 
>> rolls
>> for old time's sake.
>> 
>> But you are right there are some on Amazon. Be careful though. I saw one 
>> at
>> roughly the standard price, but the shipping (from Germany) doubled the 
>> price
>> -
>> and they only have one left.
>> 
>> Ilford XP2 is certainly a very plausible alternative. For a high contract
>> comparison see:
>> 
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/PeterDzwig/album230/album284/Camelot_1200510
>> 10.jpg.html>
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/PeterDzwig/album230/album284/Camelot_2XP2200
>> 51010.jpg.html>
>> 
>> from a time I was comparing them.
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> On 26/02/2015 03:03, Sonny Carter wrote:
>>> Kodak BW CN is still available.  You can buy it from B&H, or Amazon.
>>> 
>>> from my iPad
>>> 
>>> Sonny Carter
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Kodak stopped making their chromogenic black and white film (what this 
>>>> is
>>>> called) a few years ago but Ilford still makes XP2 which I've used this
>>>> decade to shoot film. It's embarrassingly good.  Its made of  dye 
>>>> instead of
>>>> silver but how would you know? You can be all into darkroom chemistry 
>>>> and
>>>> developing and be lucky to approach it with regular black and white 
>>>> films
>>>> rated at 400. It seems to have the grain and sharpness of 100 films.
>>>> As far as archivalness goes regular black and white film seems to last
>>>> forever with a bit of care and luck but color neg always had a bad rep.
>>>> The reason was when you brought it back into the darkroom again to make
>>>> another print from a neg you'd printed before you count often not match 
>>>> the
>>>> preceding print. The various color layers faded not at the same rate so
>>>> you'd get color crossover. And there was no way to make a real good 
>>>> print.
>>>> This did not take years to take place but months and even weeks and some
>>>> color custom printers have told me days but I didn't see it with my own
>>>> eyes.
>>>> 
>>>> XP2 only has one layer so if it fades a few percentage points you can 
>>>> just
>>>> add some contrast and probably match a print you'd made with it was 
>>>> fresh.
>>>> All my Xp2 I've shot for decades still looks good and I'd expect would 
>>>> print
>>>> perfectly. Certainly scan perfectly.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/25/15 8:11 PM, "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can second that.  Ilford and Kodak make b&w films for C41 processing
>>>>> (WalMart, Walgreen etc.), and in my experience they scan better than
>>>>> conventional negatives.  A downside is that they are shorter-lived, but
>>>>> in theory at least they are forever once scanned.  Or, absent scanning,
>>>>> as a long-time client of mine once said, at my age I don't buy green
>>>>> bananas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ken
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/25/2015 5:08 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:
>>>>>> Have you checked Walgreen's?  Most of them still run C41, and you show
>>>>>> three
>>>>>> stores in town.  Check the one on Houston hwy, since it is close to 
>>>>>> UH.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't love their scans (at least at mine) but they do a good job of
>>>>>> processing, and I do lots of small prints up to 8x10 there.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sonny Carter
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Bill Clough <billclough042541 at 
>>>>>>> gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> USA
>>>>>>> TEXAS
>>>>>>> VICTORIA
>>>>>>> 25 February 2015
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi there--
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Never occurred to me--until now--to look through the Leica M's
>>>>>>> viewfinder after cataract surgery. To my surprise, I now can frame 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> focus again.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  I have source for film but even the local drug stores no longer are
>>>>>>> processing film.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  I still have the kinder man tanks but would like to avoid all that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  I'm open to any suggestions about where 35mm film still is processed
>>>>>>> professionally.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Reply here are offline--
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Thanks--
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --Bill
>>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> Photographer
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>>>> 
>>>> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> Mark William Rabiner
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