Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/01/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]There may be a compact light weight and cheap APS-C nikon body in my future yet and I'll find out how much of the hype pans out. I'd guess a stop but will find out when the time comes. I'm accumulating new compact lightweight AF-S motor included lenses which would work focusing with these cameras. So it makes them more usable. Maybe even on dark streets with no streetlights as is the rage. I'm getting the new 35mm 1.8 ED this week. On 1/6/15 11:28 AM, "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote: > I think you would need to compare a crop sensor and a full frame sensor of > the same vintage to demonstrate your hypothesis. The D40x and D200 are > probably a few generations of chip/processor behind the D700, so there is a > lot more going on than just the difference in sensor size. A good > comparison today would be the D7100 and a D600, as they are both about the > same vintage for their respective formats and are both 24mp. > > That said I do agree with your premis, Mark. When I first started reading > your comments on sensors, I was shooting with a D7000, and thought you were > crazy, or snobbish, or some such adjective. Then I got the D600 and went, > WOW. There is quite a difference in tonality, dynamic range and low light > performance. But even my situation is a sensor generational difference > observation. The D7000 was almost two years old at that time. > > Aram > > Aram Langhans > (Semi) Retired Science Teacher > & Unemployed photographer > ? > ?The Human Genome Project has proved Darwin more right than Darwin himself > would ever have dared dream.??? James D. Watson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Rabiner [mailto:mark at rabinergroup.com] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:03 PM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] The myths of crop factor > > I can tell you that when I was shooting cropped with nikon D40x and D200 I > could top off at a noisy iso 1600 but would have to set it down to iso 800 > for critical work. In those low light levels I certainly tired not to crop > so much. > When I got my first full frame D700 walking home from movie shooting as I > walk my auto iso has always got me shooting at iso 6400. That's two stops > faster than 1600 three more than 800. And my pix are near noise free and > very droppable. > > > This and the fact well know to everybody except it seems here that APS-C > and > 4/3's cameras are clearly marketed to and used by amateurs. Not pros ore > serious armatures. They are just not pro level gear. > This is my quirky opinion this is a well known fact of photography life. > If you want to pretend your small format digital camera belongs in the same > conversation as a Leica M6, M7, or M240 you're in your own little dream > world. But your not going to argue any ideas or facts your just going to > sling personal insults. The idea being I'm looking bad as a result. I think > not. > > > On 1/5/15 11:06 PM, "John McMaster" <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote: > >> From: Mark Rabiner >> >>> A 20% crop is nothing for me. >> >> So getting close to a well composed APS-C size ;-) >> >>> I used to balk when people would say a DSLR replaced a Hasselblad. >>> Now I half agree with it. >> >> I have said that my handheld M9 shots were sharper than tripod mounted >> Hasselblad B&W negs but lacked the same tonal range, then the >> Monochrom was released... >> >> John >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photographer http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/