Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/11/26

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Subject: [Leica] See the Sony Sensor Dance!
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:27:32 +1000
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Just the facts, and noting that they are just different approaches both of
which obviously work and have strengths and weaknesses inherent in the
design choices.  I'm not convinced that in body stabilisation is a priority
for any medium format manufacturer though, personally.

By the way, where are your photo contributions for the yearbook?????
...and everyone elses too?????
I thought I would be swamped by now by LUG contributors showing just what
people can do with different systems.
30 is a puddle not a swamp.


Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman

On 27 November 2014 at 12:16, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
wrote:

> Geoff, nice save, and I'm not a member of SUG or OUG :-) or even CUG and
> NUG!
>
> BUT... you can bet that if Leica or Phase One can put in the in-body
> stabilizing technology, they would do it in a heartbeat while claiming how
> amazingly innovative it is (which is true for their respective platforms).
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Lew this is pretty common in many camera systems. Some have the function
> > built into the body so it will work with any lens and some lenses have
> > vibration reduction built in. The movement is intended to counteract an
> > unwanted shift, so in theory it is preserving, not cutting off any image
> > data.
> >
> > The Leica systems don't do it because their approach is to position the
> > sensor at the focus plane as perfectly as possible, adjusted to a couple
> of
> > microns increments. So the sensor is intended to record exactly what went
> > in, if you like, not help compensate for imperfect conditions/technique.
> > None of the medium format systems use that sensor shifting either.
> > Different philosophies, which is not to say that each doesn't work.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Geoff
> > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >
> > On 27 November 2014 at 11:30, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > Steve Barbour
> > >
> > > On Nov 26, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm having trouble getting my head around this idea. The sensor
> actually
> > > moves to accommodate subject movement to render a sharp image? At even
> a
> > > moderate shutter speed this'd have to be mighty fast ....  without
> > > introducing additional shake on its own and ... if it shakes/moves up
> for
> > > instance, what happens to image data that should derive from the bottom
> > of
> > > the frame?
> > >
> > > When I first heard about this, I imagined that the on board software
> > > accomplished this by applying something like sharpening/focusing.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hang in there, leica will introduce this development in 30 years...
> > >
> > > s
> > >
> > >
> > > -Lew Schwartz
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at 
> > > verizon.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://petapixel.com/2014/11/25/video-real-world-video-sony-a7ii-5-axis-stab
> > > > ilization-shifting-sensor/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Frank Filippone
> > > >
> > > > Red735i at verizon.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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