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Subject: [Leica] Leica Porn
From: red735i at (Frank Filippone)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:19:07 -1000
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John, have you forgotten there is a used body of M lenses that is huge?  And 
relatively cheap.  

A M8 is now $1800:  a Fuji XE-1 is $400: add a 50 Summicron for $700 and you 
have a wonderful combo. About the same price as a Nikon D610 or D7100 with 
50 f1.8, new. Better glass, maybe a less capable body in Leica. 

After trying to rid myself of Leica, and use Nikon exclusively, I have given 
up. The quality of Leica glass is just plain incomparable.  

I use a Fuji XE-1 as a backup ($400).  Using it with a long lens or in 
difficult low light is a big asset. 

Frank Filippone
Red735i at

On Sep 21, 2014, at 7:28 PM, John McMaster <john at> wrote:

I have several Leica bodies some bought new, their value pales to 
insignificance compared the value of the lenses! Yes the limited editions 
are silly but it is lens prices as much as standard body prices which keeps 
it out of range for most people...


-----Original Message-----

Hi George,
I'm not talking  about the M8-9 and a couple of others. these cameras are 
cool as I use M8's for all my  medical work and assignments without the 
blink of an eye.

What I'm referring to are the multi-multi thousand dollar ones that quite 
probably 99% of photojournalists today can't afford! ergo: LEICA HAS 
LIKE MOST OF THE LUG CREW!During much of my career I bought and had on hand 
and in use 8 or 9 LEICAS, various bodies and a bag full of lenses and always 
of the newest versions available along with lenses from the 15mm super wides 
to 400mm 2.8 and a bunch in between. I was and have been an absolute 
believer in and follower of LEICA for at least 50-55 years damn near every 
day on assignments of some kind.

I Lectured on the beauty/quality and efficiency of LEICA gear as the lead 
lecturer at the world famous LEICA SEMINAR held on Cape Cod for 16 years.
Making me a senior none staff Leica user responsible for many hundreds of 
thousands of dollars of sold "LEICA GEAR DURING THAT TIME." As I was 
informed by a Leica Sales REP in the USA! And quite frankly I'm quite proud 
my influence was responsible for those sales and certainly that amount.
Which of course doesn't take into account the hundreds of lectures to media 
groups, professional photographer associations and universities. 

And an endless number of amateur groups across North America! ALWAYS 
receive a free Leica camera or lens in all those 50 years!! In most cases I 
had already bought the newest gear on the market so no need of a free one!.

It's just today every time we , that's we all of us on the lug can't just 
walk in to a camera store and say... "hey I'll take the new LEICA B&W 
camera." Why? Hell man how many have $22,000 in yer back pocket to pay for 
it ? The M cameras? Heck they're also at the top end of cost. AND AT THE 

Yeah so my previous post was a tad bitchie. But I can say quite honestly in 
my regular assignment days I would have 3 R8's with motors attached... 2 on 
my left shoulder and the third on the right and it usually with the 280mm
f2.8 And that didn't include the usual 3 M cameras hanging around my neck.
All with different lenses!

And yes I think there might be the odd LUG member who were attending the 
CAPE COD SEMINAR 1993?-1994? when I had all my gear with me? One year or the 

But as I've said many times about the LOTTERY? ;-) If I win big? DOLLARS 
THAT IS! :-) I'LL BUY WHATEVER LEICA IS THE HOTTEST and looks great with my 
new suit! ;-) If it's easy to use? That'll be even better! :-) :-)

cheers and good night.

Dr. ted :-)   

-----Original Message-----
From: LUG [ at] On Behalf 
Of George Lottermoser
Sent: September-21-14 8:46 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica Porn

The DMR, M8, M9, M (240), M Moncrom, S2, and S are fully capable 
professional tools; as well as complete system cameras which use some of the 
finest lenses available for photography.

Professional work is being done and published with these tools right along 
with the other fine cameras available from other mfgs which sell for as much 
or more money.

a note off the iPad, George

On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at> wrote:

> These new DINKEY TOY LEICA's aren't made for real photojournalists!
> made for hanging around your neck if you're some  dumb ass dilettante 
> who knows absolutely nothing about photography but has far too much 
> money for his/her own good!"

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