Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/12/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The combo of LR for asset management (keeping your photos organized and ranked/sortable) and initial raw processing, and Photoshop for refined development is, IMO, unbeatable. Now that you can create an ACR layer in Photoshop, LR may be only needed for organizing. For many, LR is good enough and upgrades are considered unnecessary: I envy. For me each LR major upgrade offers better raw processing and refined raw adjustments. I see the differences and they do make a difference. The once every three year Photoshop upgrades were expensive. The subscription service is about equal cost in the long run if the price doesn't change too much. The benefits of getting upgrades to both for $10/mo are well worth it to me! Ymmv Sent from my iPad > On Dec 2, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > > It was a huge shock when digital hit because I felt very good about being a > master of my darkroom and my otherwise materials. All of a sudden I knew > NOTHING. How was I going to darken/burn a sky and lighten/dodge a face? . a > It took me a few years to figure it out. Part of it was the upgrading of > Photoshop so that masks and layers were their or better. > > Photoshop has always been the main digital darkroom for me and most people > I > knew. We were all in it in the very beginning I don't think many of us > switched to Lightroom. I understand nowadays many very respectable people > are getting by with the controls of Lightroom. > I've been using Photoshop since 1992 I see its right around the time of the > first LUG Post. The starting of the LUG 22.5 years ago. Photoshop had been > out two years. > Today was the anniversary of my first lug post 12/2/1998 so its been > sixteen > years of bliss. I've learned a lot from the people on the LUG. At LHSA > meeting people come up to me and tell me they read my posts out loud at the > dinner table to their family. This makes me feel great as I never could > write and I never knew anything intensively to write about. > > > > > >> On 12/2/14 8:31 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> And if you want you can actually create Smart Previews of your images and >> edit them anywhere , on your laptop while travelling for example even if >> never on-line and synchronise the edits later. >> With both programs you can have copies on main computer and laptop >> concurrently and synchronise anything, including setting s and pre-sets as >> well as image edits all of the time. >> I guess it comes down to how you use the programs and your needs and wants >> too. For many photographer LR on its own is all they need. That is what it >> is for, after all. >> >> For me I use both programs together all of the time. I am in midst of >> re-editng some 1700 frames or so from previous projects with one model. >> Lightroom means I can find everything and filter to a very advanced level. >> cropping, WB, exposure, contrast, colour profiling, sharpness local and >> global, it is all there. Actually for some work with fashion or beauty for >> example LR has some wonderful tools that are very quick precise (Yay for >> automasking for local adjustments for one!!) then from within LR I can pop >> into PS where I want to use some particular tools, say for sculpting or >> anything with layers/masks, precision spotting better than you can do with >> any healing, content are anything etc etc, and then the image is there in >> LR with all of those adjustments for exporting for web , print whatever. >> >> This is for sure enthusiast level use of the programs of course and as I >> mention for many they have no need...until you discover what you can do! >> >> >> Cheers >> Geoff >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >> >>> On 3 December 2014 at 09:47, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The only connection that Photoshop CC has to the cloud is that it >>> connects >>> occasionally to confirm your subscription and to download upgrades. It >>> is >>> not connected all the time. You do not have to have a connection to the >>> internet to use it. Nothing is stored on the cloud unless you request it >>> to be. All of my files are stored on my external hard drives. The >>> program >>> resides in my computer, just like Photoshop 1,2,3,4,5,6, etc. I cannot >>> understand the reluctance to upgrade to this most efficient and >>> productive >>> version of PS. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Lluis Ripoll < >>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Just to add my 5 cents to this topic, I'm not in the Cloud, I use LR5 >>>> for >>>> the scanned negatives only, my usual software is Capture One 8Pro, I'm >>> used >>>> to it and very happy. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Lluis >>>> >>>>> El 03/12/2014, a las 00:39, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> >>>>> escribi?: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I have the same knife. Love Wusthof knives!! >>>>> >>>>> Tina >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at >>>>>> rabinergroup.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Me too! >>>>>> >>>>>> Though I always slice my own bread... With a W?sthof 23 cm bread knife >>>> from >>>>>> sunny Germany. Goes through bread like butter! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/2/14 3:18 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think Photoshop CC is the best thing since sliced bread! I >>>> subscribed >>>>>>> immediately and don't regret it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tina >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Geoff Hopkinson < >>> hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eh? You can use or not use any early version or the latest of >>>> Lightroom >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> which you have a perpetual licence for as long as you want under the >>>>>>>> licence conditions that have applied from the very first. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is no obligation to move to the subscription model for >>>> Lightroom. >>>>>>>> If you use both Lightroom and Photoshop in working with your images >>>> then >>>>>>>> you can get that bundle if you want. Basically a 12 month commitment >>>> to >>>>>>>> start. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For me, that deal is excellent value. So much so that I don't even >>> use >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> couple of perpetual licence models I have of both Lightroom and >>>>>> Photoshop. >>>>>>>> I really like the integration and the immediate availability of the >>>> new >>>>>>>> features >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Obviously how much you use the programs will influence their value >>> to >>>>>> you. >>>>>>>> Or if you consider Adobe (and Microsoft I suppose) as devils >>> incarnate >>>>>>>> determined to feast on your soul! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2 December 2014 at 21:00, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My copy of LR is 1.1 or something and my version of PSE is 4, but >>> my >>>>>> old >>>>>>>>> Dell pc is 2005, and works too. I'm upgrading the pc when I move >>>> house >>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>> couple of weeks, but at 10 dollars a month and initial costs, it >>>> looks >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> a future haemorrhage of money from me to Adobe for little real >>>> benefit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Douglas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Hopkinson" < >>>>>>>> hopsternew at gmail.com >>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:24 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] [OM] And now a Lightroom question >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can continue with the perpetual licence arrangement as always >>> if >>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> wish. >>>>>>>>>> Note that the current version is 5.7. >>>>>>>>>> As has been the case the point updates are free. Once LR6 arrives, >>>>>>>>>> whenever >>>>>>>>>> it does, you will need to pay for the upgrade. Of course if you >>> buy >>>>>>>>>> something Leica new they will include a copy ;-) ;-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here the subscription model with Photoshop CC here costs annually >>>>>> $10, a >>>>>>>>>> new copy $175 and an upgrade $100. >>>>>>>>>> Those are very compelling numbers for me even without Photoshop >>> but >>>> I >>>>>>>>>> haven't convinced you have I Nathan? ;-) ;-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2 December 2014 at 18:11, Nathan Wajsman <photo at >>>>>>>>>> frozenlight.eu >>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who responded. It is clear that I need to upgrade to >>>>>> LR5, >>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> I will bite the bullet and do so. As long as I am not forced in >>>>>> Adobe's >>>>>>>>>>> cloud service, it is OK. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 02 Dec 2014, at 07:26, Nathan Wajsman <photo at >>>>>>>>>>> frozenlight.eu> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I just discovered that my Lightroom 4.4 does not recognise the >>>> Fuji >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> XT-1 >>>>>>>>>>> files. Poking around Adobe's sites I see no upgrade that would >>> let >>>> me >>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>> those files directly into LR. So I am right now converting to DNG >>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>> their converter and will then import those. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are my choices really limited to using this clunky 2-step >>> process >>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> upgrading to LR5, something which I otherwise have no reason to >>> do? >>>>>>>> (and >>>>>>>>>>> no, I am not interested in other RAW converters or in shooting >>>> JPG). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Options: >>> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>>>>>>>>> Archives: >>> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>>>>>>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> Photographer >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tina Manley >>>>> www.tinamanley.com >>>>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com >>> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/T >>> ina+Manley.html >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tina Manley >>> www.tinamanley.com >>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com >>> >>> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/T >>> ina+Manley.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information